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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey
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Alarti,
1) In your esteemed* opinion, can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse without waiting for the 30-day cooldown period by merely changing their guild and therefore escaping (purposely or not) any restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to their original guild? Yes or no.
If yes, how does one ensure players aren't switching guilds en masse to avoid any sort of restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to the original guild?
If no, what the fuck have you been arguing about for the last 15 pages?
* lol
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1) In my opinion, this 1 statement is too broad. I'm sure you realize that though and are just trying to support your agenda.
Assuming we are following the current raid rules (which I find idiotic to begin with) I would fix that statement by saying you can't skirt punishments assigned to a group of people for bad behavior and you can't skip lockouts. However if you are reforming, or rebranding or splitting off from a guild, you should be allowed to switch classes to R as long as you don't kill a class C mob.
The problem with some people in this forum is they try to label Forsaken as just new TMO. That isn't the case. Forsaken does consist of many ex TMO players... but many players stayed in TMO also or rerolled red... or apped to other guilds. This is a true guild split which created an entirely new entity. New DKP, Leaders, Rules, Memberbase, guild bank, etc etc.
It is convenient for Class R to try to label them as TMO because it supports the agenda of all things TMO are evil(1) and the agenda of maximizing their (being current Class R members)loot potential(2).