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Old 01-23-2016, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
I really think some people here are underestimating Dany. She'll never be "just some king's wife".

She hasn't done too badly for a young exiled child queen that has had almost no real guidance or experience. Granted, she's done some shit that frustrated me while reading the books, but all in all, I think she was just learning how to rule. She actually cares about the common people. That's a good place to start from.

Imagine how different things might be at this point in the books if she had Dragonbinder in her possession, along with a proper sorcerer to bind those unruly teenage dragons of hers. (I wonder if the new red priestess she will evidently meet on the show in season six can help her out or if a situation like that will come up in Winds of Winter).

Nope, I still say Dany is fierce. She could be a great queen, and even when she makes her mistakes she's a hell of a lot better at ruling than Robert, the mad king, Cercei, etc, combined. I guess I sorta of think of her like a female version of Rhaegar. He would have been a good king, by most accounts if I remember correctly.

Now to address the issue of Westeros never having a sole female ruling in her own right. Putting aside any issues about future Dornish involvement and possible alliances, etc, let me just put this out there:

There is a first time for everything. That's why it's called "setting a precedent". Providing she can get those dragons in line (with Dragonbinder, sorcery, whatever) she has a real chance of taking Westeros in her own name. Why the fuck would she have to marry her nephew (fAegon) or anyone else, for that matter? That idea is for Strong Belwas to poop on.
Sidelle, this is for you and Spyder. The thing about where Martin has left us with 5th book is, its plausible every major character can go multiple and nearly opposite directions. We don't know who'll make it to the finish line, but some won't.

Here is an example. I think Jon is most special. Ice+Fire (especially Ice because I don't think we've seen what the Old Gods can do yet). I think he is positioned to save the world (or lead that effort), unlike others angling for a throne. I much dislike the idea of Melisandre resurrecting Jon. Absolutely hated her conditions for Jon taking Winterfell - renounce Old Gods and burn the Weirwoods. That was one of the biggest "Fuck that" moments for me as reader. But, maybe she does resurrect Jon via red/fire magic, and maybe Jon wakes up thinking "that" is what his life as been missing. Then, we got a whole other ballgame.

I totally agree Dany is major character. I'm not overly fond of her because of some of her decisions. Some of those are borderline poor storytelling to me. But, she could make it to the finish line - if we define the finish line as ruling. There are several things in the background that I think will slow or stop her. Of the top of my head -- she's not handled her towering strength, her dragons, properly. I think she will lose at least one. It could be Victorian, for e.g., and its hard to see being her "Prince Phillip". Euron, less so. fAegon has a better claim, is on the right side of water, and i reckon he'll align with Dorne. Then what? Hard to see Dany accept being his Queen. And, I think we might see Dany's crazy gene fully activate. Maybe Tyrion will get through to her and keep her on track. Then again, maybe Dany will ask for the heads all other Lannisters once she has power, and Tyrion will end up pulling a Jamie.

All of this isn't meant to settle differences of opinion obviously. We need Martin to get on the stick and sell us what we desire so badly. He could break records with the price of the next book.