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Originally Posted by Man0warr
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I tried this trick swapping between bare hands and Shovel of the Harvest and parsed it a dozen times or so vs HoT trash (which takes a few minutes to kill) and it was either not noticeable or just Shovel won out. It's not that easy to trick the delay.
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Bear in mind that Shovel by itself is or should be better dps than any of the weapons we're talking about. If you're not perfect swapping in/out the Shovel you will end up only breaking even or doing worse than just keeping Shovel equipped. It's in a tier of weaponry that goes beyond this conversation.
http://wiki.project1999.com/Shovel_of_the_Harvest
50/43 is will be considerably better damage by itself than Epic, SoS, Tstaff, IFS, or any combination thereof. If you're not perfect swapping the shovel in/out to capitalize on it's EVERY swing capability, it's easy to appreciate how with this weapon it's totally not worth it. Like I said, it's in a tier of weaponry that goes beyond this conversation. If I had the shovel, I'd just keep it equipped 24/7 and forget about any other weapons or fancy swaps.
Comparing the dps of 3 setups below:
Epic/SoS
Epic/epic
IFS
Epic/SoS > Epic/epic > IFS
With swapping ...
IFS/Swap > Epic/SoS > Epic/Epic
I'd argue the juice isn't worth the squeeze in a good 4-6 man group.
Duo, marginally worth it ... but paired up with a shaman I'd honestly prefer to be lazy.
Solo it is totally worth it. I have a fungi and modestly good gear in most other slots. Solo in KC at level 56, dog sentries (doesn't matter if dark blue or green) are easy to solo if I start at > 70% health. Drolvarg Guardians can be a PITA as can Skeletal Lookouts/Guardians - even with mend up. With the IFS alone I take less damage over time per second but the fight lasts sufficiently long(er) enough that using it over Epic/SoS isn't worth it. I end up taking less total damage per fight by ending the fight sooner with dual wield. Epic/SoS is or has been the bread and butter, but I usually have to burn mend on these harder mobs. With the swap technique I can reliably drop Drolvarg Guards (they run at 20%) without using mend. For the skeletons it's still luck as they don't run, but I burn mend a lot less now and almost never have to give up and flop (where before this was a real risk while solo and without buffs) even with mend.
For the monk that happens to have epic but is very tight on cash ... the SoS you could easily bail on in lieu of the IFS (which you will want anyways for damage shields).
Comparing IFS vs Tstaff for this technique, I'd argue the IFS will net more damage as it's delay is a lot more forgiving if you're not perfect about swapping in and out. Swapping in/out at 40 delay is a lot less labor intensive than at delay 30. You could argue the proc on Tstaff would still make it the favorite ... but it's so expensive that unless you're loaded on cash, there's no point (Epic/SoS will beat it toe to toe almost every time).
PS: Quick question for Man0warr --> how does shovel average dps compare with other comparable raid level 1handers for dps? As good? Slightly worse?