20 minutes to engage kt imo. If he slaughters your raid before he's summoning and before you've run a Ch chain on him for more than like a minute then its not an attempt? I'm significantly less concerned with the details of how you kill the mob then I am with what is required to have a reasonable chance at competing in the race week in and week out.
I also don't care if its scale or sow personally. I just know that everyone can sow themselves and scale requires an additional person to commit to the encounter and despite what everyone loves to think, we (aftermath) prefer enlisting as few people as possible to track these targets.
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