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Originally Posted by Csihar
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Remember that I was replying to Blitzers. In the passage God sanctions the deceit, which I find to be of equal footing with the quote from the Quran. I made no judgement about God's action itself, it was all just pointing out the error in Blitzers' post.
I don't really see how that led you to the rest of your post.
Regardless, I don't think any analogy comparing human beings with God ever works. God is not a human being and the circumstances are never, ever the same.
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You mean God the Father? Analogies are all there, among other things, in every place you look. Archetypes, analogies, metaphors, just different ways to coney a structured logic in a message, and usually well formatted so not to confuse say metaphoric parables with historic accounts of specific people and events etc.
But Blitz puts it, God cannot lie. And your response is by proxy, that he deceives. But this was a judgement, and that from their own doing and by the will of the deceiving spirit (which are usually demons). In this case God allowed it, just as he allows suffering and free-will etc. The bible doesn't "promote" deceit, just recognizes it.
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Originally Posted by Csihar
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Remember that the OT is only the OT for Christians. Your interpretation would not be agreed with by any Jewish person. Considering the Old Testament/Tanakh and even the New Testament are very much Jewish books I tend to side with the Jewish interpretation.
The Christian version (and I think 'version' is the right word here) is marred by its translation, politics and non-Jewish interpretation.
To be a bit less general, I'm not seeing why 'the law' is being interpreted as the messianic prophecy? Why does 'the Law' not refer to the Torah? The numerous laws have been summarized into 1 or 2 sentences (can't remember which) even before Christ.
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What, relative truth? i.e. what is true for me is not necessarily true for you? People can be 100% wrong and in denial of it. Gosh, human history shows this so well, people can be wrong. The only way that could be is by absolute truth. Even relative truth at it's core is defeated by absolute truth. One would say what is true for you may not be true for me, well that in itself is an absolute truth, or attempts to be, this defeats itself.
So yeah, at a point, things changed (were fulfilled as I explained), and in an absolute way, for everyone, as happens by many examples. Those that stayed with what was... well are in error. After all, in this case, the beginnings of the church were 100% jews until it was given to Paul to reveal it to the gentiles as well. Even today, jews still become Christians, while others don't.
Now, there is a movement like that, it's called Eccumenicalism, in which a form of relative truth is practiced. In this case, Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, everything and everything, is all the same one in all and all in one. imo defies logic though, even mathematically. 1 + 1 always equals 2 no matter what the new logic in colleges try to teach which is relative logic/truth (e.g. 1 + 1 is not always 2). So it's not really by a basis of any spiritual belief that I think it's kinda bunk, but that there is mathematical logic that never takes everything and adds it together to make up some relative product that works for every answer or position.