[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You raise good points. I would point out though, in all fairness, that we did evolve eating meat and it would be a necessity if we couldn't fortify foods with vitamin B12. All the other nutrients can be found in plant-based food. To call us carnivores is retarded but despite the fact that it's odd that we need tools to eat meat, we ultimately did use tools and we now have a need for B12.

We can now use other tools to fortify food with B12. And that's why people who eat meat but have a vitamin B12 deficiency due to differing reasons can be helped (and not by "eating more meat!") and don't die.

I dislike the discussion because I've seen every argument a hundred times. If meat was somehow an inconvenience and tasted like broccoli we wouldn't be having this discussion. Less than 0,01% of the population eats meat because "they need it". They eat it because it tastes good and because it's convenient. That 0,01% accounts for people with specific intestinal disorders.

Personally I don't think it triggers maskedmelon because he knows it's wrong. Not at all. I think it's due to a bunch of reasons. First, some vocal vegans/vegetarians are really, really annoying and self-righteous. I do want to mention that I think this is often overstated. We all have our subconscious image of a "normal person" (and subconsciously normal = good) and any action by someone that deviates from this "normal person" is much more noticable. If your "normal person" image is that of a white male heterosexual then some gay guy being an ass will make you think "God, gay people are asses" whereas if a white male heterosexual was being an ass you just think "God, people are asses". Every time a vegan says something annoying it stands out more. Nonetheless, some really are annoying.

Secondly, and more importantly eating meat is normal and natural. Your entire life you are indirectly or directly told and shown that people eat meat. It's imprinted in our image of cavemen. When someone comes along and says something you have held as a normalcy your entire life, partake in every day, see happening every day etc. is something they don't do for ethical reasons and even say that it's wrong... this tends to cause cognitive dissonance. The explanation that "we need meat" yada yada is just a post hoc rationalisation of that dissonance. Not a reaction of stupidity or something that we all know deep down inside is wrong.
This doesn't justify eating meat in the modern world though. Need to remember that "natural = good" is a logical fallacy and that normal is not synonymous with good.

Thirdly, veganism is associated with a bunch of weird shit people do and think. In Dutch there's a word which directly translates as "floaty", referring to people who for example like to refer to themselves as spiritual people. People who get high on life, mother natures heals all their wounds, crystals influence their emotions etc.
These people are annoying (my emotional response) and can be dangerous. Veganism when associated with these lot is seen as some new age horseshit. It is, of course, seperate but I get that people get trigged by people like this woman. "Sunshine and water". Good God, man!

How wrong am I, maskedmelon?

You're spot on Csi ^^