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Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn
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quoted the part i read up 2
you're right trees are not deliberately over-engineered because they're not deliberately engineered at all. butt single cells, and even most multicellular organisms, are nothing more than extremely complex chemical clockworks. Consciousness and the capacity for a subjective experience are emergent properties of a central nervous system; if you are claiming trees or plants whose response to stimuli are all mediated by clockwork chemical mechanisms incidentally evolved the ability to experience reality subjectively on some level beyond human understanding you are a stupid as shit hippie, meat eating f*ggot contrarian, or other anti intellectual piece of trash.
Before the CNS, there were self-replicating little bundles of chemical. a (intelligent) Dahmer type could light 6 billion of those on fire in a void and not get a lick of pleasure from the suffering generated because there is none. Do these retards sometimes get worried that their computer or car have secret interior monologues and feelings they don't know about?
The injun "everything has a spirit" thing is great and all cuz we should respect the earth, but i dont think they were literally saying that while making arrowheads from a stone that they were chipping brutally away at a conscious entity's body.
^not sure why i wrote all that, pretty sure nobody here actually believes this shit
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If consciousness is an emergent property of mindless mechanics then everyone would have the same exact response to stimuli like programs / robots do, but we don't. Our consciousness is a significant threshold above what we can do with AI, not just a gradient. Meaning, robots are limited to "if > then". But we're a level above that. And to assume that you know the type of consciousness plants have is conjecture and means you have no base to be arrogant towards people who think they might be aware of more than we think. We also don't know the boundaries of consciousness so it could pervade all matter despite you an I having a barrier between our minds.