I remember watching a discovery? channel documentary years ago about people who studied martial arts in a "monk" fashion... they trained with a pretty sizable stone on a pedestal beside the great wall of china by hitting it repeatedly with the back of their hand ... does that coincide with topic? are only shaolin monks really considered monks?
gave up trying to find show clips... was a discovery channel show where martial artists (mostly newts(a newt is a lizard with no balls)) traveled to seek training from profound,remote,etc... masters around the world.
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