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Originally Posted by Lhancelot
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Also, exactly how do you moderate trolling?
Trolling to one person isn't trolling to another, and let's be honest some trolling is harmless and only done in fun, genuinely written to create playful banter with other people. The problem is some people seem unable to differentiate what is being written in fun and take it personal or too seriously.
Not sure how you expect them to moderate more than they already do, as they ensure people do not use racist epithets or other extremely upsetting and vulgar words which are personal attacks and highly upsetting to others.
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It crosses a line when you have a whole subculture for trolling. The harmless trolling you mention is more like teasing. If I tell someone I'm going to sacrifice them in the name of Cazic Thule while on my iksar, that's not going to be considered trolling by anyone.
On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms, write long misogynist posts, call each other disabled, gossip, revel in shitposting, and at this point they
rate the trolliness of everyone else's posts. It's a game to see how far they can push it before they get banned (temporarily, for some reason). Forumquesters who roleplay on the forum as various awful types of people or trolls, who roll 'alts' and pretend to be other people? That is insanity. I'm sure someone out there is thinking 'oh, lighten up, Sorn, it's a game we play and it's fun, you just have no sense of humor'. Sure, if I lose my sense of right and wrong, I too can hang out in RnF all day bemoaning the lack of good threads or making shitposts while thinking anyone who hates forumquest is just too sensitive. As it is, I absolutely do not take any post on here or anything I see in-game personally and I do recognize the in-joke aspect of it, but I still don't think it has a place here.
You're saying 'the definition of trolling is subjective as long as no one's using vulgar words or personal attacks'. It's like the one guy at a party telling everyone to lighten up when they don't find the joke about black people funny and no one gets his sense of humor and what's the problem since he didn't use the 'n' word, except 30% of the party is comprised of people just like that one guy and the host is ignoring what's going on. They might be great guys elsewhere, but left unchecked they consider it acceptable to ruin a party by being unpleasant and telling shitty jokes.
90% of p99 players do not come to the forums because these people turn it into a toxic cesspool for their own pleasure. If you can't see it, then you're in too deep. Moderation on these forums is negligible if all they look out for is technicalities like bad words. Should the bare minimum for enforcement of common decency be to make sure no one makes public death threats or uses bad words?
I think it's bullshit that you're arguing that it's subjective. It's only subjective because the trolls have chased off most of the sane people who don't find forumquesting amusing, leaving only themselves in a little echo chamber so they can pretend they're the majority and can define sanity. This is the culture that helped enable GG to cause all the chaos he did in the beginning when he should have been seeking help or finding better things to do with his life. This is the culture that promotes casual sociopathy and tries to excuse it by telling the rest to lighten up. Five minutes browsing RnF or Off Topic is all a regular player would need to understand this.
The troll subculture is endemic to gaming and the internet, but it needn't be so prominent in p99. Our shit standards for moderating the forums, the obsessive persistence of our trolls, and the management of the CSR side enabling this sort of nonsense leads to this forum being a haven for such things. We represent the p99 community as a forum. Sadly, as a whole we do a truly awful job. If you are so bored that you don't play anymore and just shitpost on the forums, consider leaving. Annoyed that random people reading the shitposts don't get your humor or take offense to your bullshit? Keep it to elfpals where they truly understand you.
That's all I've got to say on the topic. Thanks for reading.