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Originally Posted by Daldaen
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This video makes me miss HP bars slowly creeping up after getting healed rather than the instant jump the Titanium client shows.
But I think everyone knows PBAE limits by Kunark/Velious were not a thing, it seems that there were some short lived ones in classic per the evidence in this thread. However while there may not have been PBAE limits I believe there were aggro limits to the number of mobs you could kite around, these weren’t hard aggro limits but you’d run into issues with mobs ghosting, and eventually leashing due to lagging behind.
I can only speak to my experience on the Mac server which isn’t exactly Velious era but it was the oldest client we had available in the past decade, and you could pull 30+ mobs and they’d lag a bit but nothing unmanageable. Once you reached the 50-80+ range you were dealing with a huge amount of ghosting mobs, warping and desynching of zones.
I think if we are aiming for a more classic experience it’s not PBAE limits to target (except for the classic period as mentioned above which seems to be a timeline fix), but instead a cap on the number of mobs you can keep on aggro before they start ghosting behind you and losing aggro. Cap players on being able to kite or hold aggro on like 40-50~ mobs and that would be a nice balance between classic mechanics and classic experience.
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The biggest problem is that back then people didn't understand they could. Also before Kunark there really wasn't anywhere to kite around 50+ mobs as a bard. For many reasons.
There was thousands of players meaning there wasn't many mob to be kited for starters.
Up till around level 25 you could find areas to kite many mobs but again you would run into the first problem (too many players not enough mobs) and unless you had some twinked out bard you would get dead anyhow.
AoE groups really wouldn't work either because first of all nobody really knew how to do them. They really had no way to learn how to do them either because again there was always too many people in a zone to go screwing around trying out new techniques but even if someone could try to pull off an AoE I know how hard it would be to do.
Big AoE and bard kites never were a real thing until after Kunark came out and it wasn't because the game prevented it. Well I guess in a way it did but a really smart person who really wanted to do it could have found a way but again you would run into all the people and train the ever living hell out of everyone just to try and probably fail.
I should also note I don't think the original client has a forward auto strafe like when you hit W + D + RMB at the same time to lock it in. It had to all be done by hand pretty much.
This is prior to the patch that people are saying bards could only hit 4 mobs.
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Extreme Kiting: Killing 6 Reds at once.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!se...Q/DrsSx8vPsE8J
Here is something I did last night. Will I do it again? ehhh probably
not.
I just reached level 18 with my Bard. I got the dischord song. What it
does for those of you who dont know is about 30 pts of damage of 10
seconds or something like that to everything around the bard.
Has to be played with an instrument.
I had kited some things before but found it rather boring and didnt
care buch for it. I had used bellow before. 10 pts to one target.
Even with the dischord song it took about 10-15 mins to kite something
to death. Not really worth it even if it was a red con.
So I figured if it takes 10-15 mins to kite something why not kite
multiple things at once? So I ran up and down the beach of oasis
bellowing anything that was blue or higher. By the time I was done I
had about 4 Deepwater crocs on me, and 2 deepwater caimens. The 4 DWC
were reds and the 2 caimens were yellows.
So I had 6 mobs following me around the zone. I found a relativeley
safe place and began kiting with the dischord song. Now in order for
this song to hit, you bards all know, you have to be REALLY close to
your opponent. IN this case 6 of them. Now DWCrocs hit HARD. LIke for
40 pts vs my bard. If you even let them nip at your heels ONCE you are
prety much done for.
So i started kiting. A few mins in I got caught by the entire group of
them. I took about 275 pts of damage in the span of about 1 second.
LUCKILY I wasnt stunned and could keep running. If I had been stunned I
would have died for sure.
A GM was watching me the entire time as well. He never said anything.
Some other characters had seen what I was doing and were watching. I
had them all to more than half damage so wasnt worried about kill
stealing by that time.
Some people were commenting that I was being greedy.
When it was all said and done I had taken down 6 crocs, 4 of which
conned red and 2 that had conned yellow. I think I gained more than a
bubble of xp in about 15 mins.
Now I dont know if I would pull another stunt like this again. I was
LUCKY not to have died, but this is just an example of what kiting can
do in an extreme case. If you were VERY good you could have had 10-12
mobs on you at once ALL RED, and killed them all, IF you didnt mess up.
Believe me, this form of kiting with the dischord song, is soooo
dangerous. I re-iterate you have to be RIGHT near the mob for it to
take effect. One virtual foot to far and nada, one too close and 6 mobs
rip you to bits.
I assume the upcoming nerf will take care of this tactic as well.
Not that I would use it anymore. Frankly kiting is boring but I must
say when you have 6 on you its a little more exciting knowing you could
be dead at any time if you slip up. And I do many times.
As to the risk vs xp reward, I think I was in an EXTREME amount of risk
doing this. Hell I tried it once and almost died. BUT I dont think its
reasonable to be able to take down 6 reds at once no matter what the
risk.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>September 13th, 9:00am<<<<<<<<<<<<<
New Patch Message
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!se...A/wYXzrc1eohEJ
- A bug in some of the AoE code has been fixed - AoE spells will now effect
more monsters.
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Wow! The bitching is almost universal now.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!se...I/hyiS2lA-DBcJ
Just about the only class not affected are the Bards
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The game is very old and people have learned many things. You can't MiB flashy thing people so that they get amnesia but it would be cool if you could. There's so much I want to forget just so I can relive it totally fresh like tv anime =/