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Originally Posted by Dolalin
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Unfortunately it's unlikely you will find much good empirical evidence in there about charming due to natural level variation among the same mobs, magic resist in different mob types, and large duration variation on the charms themselves even if the other two miraculously stay constant. They often don't even have a big stat comparison. Like they think 25 cha points is going to make a "huge" difference or something.
I do remember CHA had a significant impact on my enchanter's vanilla existence for charm/lull/mez and you felt it most when you were doing CR in the naked. It never seemed to matter much on my necro, and that includes lulls. I charmed a bit on my druid, too, but not enough to really speak on how things worked during vanilla or the greater "classic" timeline.
However, that doesn't mean there was no charisma check. The necro might be rolling with d20s, druid d12s, and the enchanter d6s. In fact I'm totally confused by some of the comments and links you posted. They say that they took out the charisma check and that's supposed to be a good thing, yet they also claim you only needed to successfully save on level difference, MR, or CHA . if that's true then removing it as part of the charm save would make the charm worse for druid/necros.