Hi pals.
Some of you have expressed the view that people have come to this thread and flamed where flaming was not warranted. I posit that the replies which might be viewed as inflammatory were warranted because the OP is in fact a flame post. Below is a compilation of direct quotes from the OP, where they imply that they (transcenduh) are angels, and that we (IB) are devils. Please, after reading this, tell me - no, seriously, PLEASE TELL ME - how this is NOT a flame post?
**WARNING - WALL OF TEXT**
(also, i do not take credit for punctuation errors in this post. There is.. ..too much)
Nothing in this set of quotes is repeated, I quote each individual thing as I go down the list, and any repetition is directly from the OP.
They can couch their idiocy in whatever disclaimers they want, we all know that a rose by any other name is still a rose.
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Originally Posted by Maximus
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infamous Spawn Variance.
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Right off the bat, Maxipad is using emotional language to indicate that Nilbog's system is somehow evil. i.e. "They are devils."
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Upon the opening of raid scene on the P1999 server, standard rules were followed as they were back on classic EQ.
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"We're angels."
Even tho Trans wasn't RAIDING upon the opening of the raid scene on p99, this fucktard thinks he has some kind of right to chime in on how it was way back when. He implies that everything was ideal, a veritable pastoral scene of a simpler time before the evil empire.
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using the strategy of camping a mob 1 day before it spawned to acquire security on that mob.
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"We're angels."
He implies that somehow making up rules is valid, and that the "acquired" security on the mob by said making up of rules.
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PROBLEMS: guilds who felt wronged by this show of endurance, AKA camping, resorted to classical strategies of training, leapfrogging, asshatery.
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This is pretty obvious, but just to be clear this is a "We're angels, they're devils" combo in which he uses emotional language yet again.. implying that they did the right thing, causing us to "feel wronged," as if we gave a fuck. ..implying that camping is a rule again - that they had endurance and we didn't or something? More like wasted time and a desperate attempt to grab at anything.
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Originally Posted by Maximus
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whining about how camping a mob was NON skilled
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Here with an obvious "they're devils" comment, how is this NOT a rant again?
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whining about camping seemed to be the problem
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"they're devils"
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we are all aware that third party software exists and hackers are not unheard of.
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"They're devils."
There's butthurt, and then there's "my butt is thoroughly in pain."
For this OBVIOUS implication, you fall into the latter category.
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although it was not as severe
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"They're devils." Implying that hacks here are more rampant than on live. I mean, seriously? LMAO., since something like spawn variance did not exist.
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NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS AT ANYONE
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as any of us could be guilty of using such software
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"We're angels / they're devils" combo.
Obviously, they are not implicating themselves, GEE I WONDER WHO THEY COULD BE TALKING ABOUT???
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the use of outside help, cheating to acquire a certain edge over raid encounters
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ditto
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to some, a show of competition
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It's the "to some" that I find cute.
"they're devils"
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Training, leapfrogging, asshatery.
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"they're devils"
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Competitive and fair according to sony, the bringers of Everquest.
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Implying that variance is not competitive and fair.
"they're devils"
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Third party software threats like showeq and macroquest= low, if any.
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Begging the question "where is the threat high?" with the obvious implication that there is a high threat on p99 because IB hax.
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No camping of mobs (Loss of competitive edge)
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"We're angels"
Notice how he disregards the competitive nature of the current system.
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Originally Posted by Maximus
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Training, leapfrogging, asshatery removed (mostly).
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"They're devils."
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Third party software threats like showeq and macroquest= present, but low (tiki hehe) douche.
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"They're devils"
Rehashing of a long dead issue involving a single bad apple who we reported, was given another shot by staff and let back in the guild with a stipulation of compliance, which, when broken, was enforced and Tiki was ostracized from our community.
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Camping mobs ( to some, a show of competition, endurance)
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"We're angels."
The only way they can compete is their way??
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Training, leapfrogging, asshatery.
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"they're devils"
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Competitive edge is back, but fairness....
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"they're devils"
..by not being fair apparently. The funny thing is that multiple guilds have beaten us to mobs. This is undoubtedly the most fair system we've used so far.
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Third Party software threats like showeq and macroquest=HIGH
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"they're devils"
obvious troll is obvious
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Im not gonna point any fingers, as i dont wanna go through the trolling of PROVIDE INFO, PICS BLAH BLAH...
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"they're devils"
obvious implication here, GEE i wonder who their talking about NOW?? lol
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but if you GMs wanna promote competition and fairness in this good game of ours, please remove the spawn variance
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"we're angels"
obviously because they espouse "fairness" (aka the way they want it) lol
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let it go back to its classical roots of normal everquest spawns
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Yeah.. normal rules.. classic rules.
That would be "Don't KS."
..which would suit US just fine!!!
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IF CAMPING MOBS is not skilled and was what we were trying tofix initially, we haven't, and gone right back to camping with the new system
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LoL, this is worthy of another thread damn near.
YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING THAT THIS SYSTEM IS WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY AND THEN ASKING THAT WE CHANGE IT BY GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOUR BRAIN?
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IF PROMOTING FAIRNESS IF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, we have done the opposite
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"they're devils"
Dey tuk ar jawbs!!
The fact that Divinity has beaten us to spawns several times, and even Fish Bait got the jump on us leads me to believe something very different than what you're saying.
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left a wide open door for third party software use.
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"they're devils"
obvious troll..
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IF AVOIDING TRAINING, LEAPFROGGING, ASSHATERY is what the goal was, it hasn't worked perfectly, and its something that can only be settled between players ingame.
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"they're devils"
(are you tired of this yet? how about now? now?)
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IF PROMOTING COMPETITION is what we were looking for, well, we're not any more competitive camping mobs now than we were at the beginning.
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"We're angels"
and if it's not our way, it must be demonic!! WITCH!!
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sure gathering a force at 3 in the morning is impressive (maybe)
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"they're devils"
and also unimpressive devils.
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but i think its much more competitive for a team of 20 or so to outstrategize two or possibly three other forces to acquire the kill on a dragon
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"we're angels"
and if it's not focused on camping something for 10+ hours, it's not competitive
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would classical rules of everquest RID of the threat of unskilled advantages over a 10 year old game? hell yes.
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"they're devils"
Oh yeah, we're totally unskilled. Lawl.
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IF YOU WANNA PROMOTE FAIRNESS AND COMPETITION, GET RID OF THE SPAWN VARIANCE, AS IT IS NOT CLASSIC AND LEAVES A WIDE OPEN DOOR FOR CHEATING.
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Same old bullshit.
"we're angels" coz their way is fair, and "they're devils" coz we hax'd teh Gibson.
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NO MORE BABYSITTING FROM THE GMs
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Oh, and btw, Nilbog babysits me.
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LET THE BEST GUILD LIVE, AND THRIVE, FAIRLY, AND COMPETITIVELY.
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I think "best" is kind of a judgement call. I think any guild that lives up to it's current potential while keeping true to a set of standards and ethics is "the best" guild. IB does that on a certain level, Divinity does that on a certain level, GC does that on a certain level. I haven't seen FB in action enough to determine how they are going to end up, but they seem to have some skilled players with a decent amount of smarts. In fact, the only guild not living up to their potential is Transcendence. In fact, the only guild currently having serious ethical issues to the point where MOST OF THE GOOD PLAYERS IN THE GUILD HAVE LEFT for greener pastures is Transcendence.
You guys are a dead guild. You're a withered shadow of your prior self, and even your best leaders have abandoned you. What the future holds, only the Flying Spaghetti Monster knows, but ya'll ain't about shit but bitching and moaning right about now.
Wololo shouts, 'You feel as if you're about to fail.'