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Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.angelfire.com/rpg/whitew...ChantGuide.htm



No, it was quite well known CHA impacted charm. Tired arguments are tired.

In fact if people would stop making up bullshit and claiming I'm lying about everything and instead go back to page 2 and read the actual links provided you'll see people knew potentially even more than the average P99 player does even with the wiki. You'll see discussions about mem blur efficiency and so on. It's a stupid and tired argument that no one knew how to play Enchanter during live and that's why they weren't overpowered.

Again, the majority of players that PLAYED, (not wrote obscure angelfire guides nobody read back then) stacked INT. Chanters were mezing and buffing back then. 99% of enchanters back then stacked INT. Everyone knows this.

What? Is that an old Angelfire Enchanter page clearing spelling out CHA for charming and also clearly describing exactly how charm solo works on P99? I thought no one knew about any of this? What else do they say about charming?

Nobody back then probably read that. There weren't things readily available like wikis. We're talking 20 years ago. Again, 20 years ago enchanters were stacking INT. Maybe there was a cry in the wilderness, but that doesn't prove anything.

Charming solo was very dangerous. It could pay off in experience if well geared and played well. However, it's also noteworthy they don't talk about Charm soloing in dungeons for experience like happens on P99. Their examples are all outdoors. This is nothing like P99 by the way. People try to claim that "you should try it" become saying Enchanter is easy. Bull fucking shit. Enchanter is brain dead easy to charm solo on P99. There is nothing daring or dangerous about it except at higher levels when doing named camps that no other class can touch solo.

You're trying to validate your claims based upon an angelfire page that nobody even read back then and it doesn't PROVE anything. Get a grip.

That's odd my P99 Enchanter is below 170 CHA and was well below that at lower levels but Charm worked just fine and was far from difficult to use for soloing.

You don't keep your pet when charm soloing. Especially when leveling. You don't need it hold for very long.

Strange. I still charm solo without ever using stun. I just let mobs hit me and cast Charm right through it. Wonder why people needed to use stun in classic. Channeling?

Channeling is a skill with skill ups. It's not far fetched to believe the higher your skill at channeling the better your ability to cast a spell through combat. That's the point. Again, you have proved nothing. Everything is conjecture based upon a bias against the spell. Every argument against you is a bias for the spell. There simply isn't anything concrete that proves charm wasn't as reliable back then as it is now. Believe me, I've checked and it always comes back to the differences between playstyles, knowledge and meta NOW as opposed to 20 years ago.

You certainly will get Charm off while getting beaten on when playing on P99. In fact on my Enchanter I would regularly be getting hit by 5 mobs and still cast mez or charm right through it. It's so reliable it's a joke to claim live was anything like this.

Yes and you should be able to get it off

Like I've always said, P99 channeling makes Enchanter OP. In actual live Enchanter died a shit load simply due to channeling chance. You couldn't just stand there in melee casting long spells like Charm and expect it to work. Just like someone said earlier in thread, casting a 6 second DOT in melee with an experience giving mob, and succeeding more often than not is a glaring problem with P99's classic nature.

Have you ever watched a good enchanter play the class? They don't rely on their channeling skill to keep things locked down

The argument that no one knew how to play Enchanter is tired and proven false. People knew about CHA. They knew exactly how to Charm solo. It just didn't work well due to the risk of death from failing channeling and therefore was also mostly limited to outdoor zones where you would have SoW/JBoots to run away due to unlucky rolls.

It has not been proven false. You are in error if you believe that "nobody knew how to play an enchanter back then". The point is they played the class DIFFERENTLY then they do now. Stop being so pig headed.

I wonder why not even a single time does this page discuss using a charmed pet in a group? I think we all know why. It's because pets, and charmed pets even more so, acted insane in dungeons for most of classic. No group would ever want a charmed pet anywhere near them.

You have this weird all or nothing thinking about everything. Just because it wasn't discussed on some obscure angelfire page does not automatically lead to your biased conclusion that "we all know". Stop with the mental gymnastics and childlike attempts at manipulation.

I guess no one in classic was smart enough to figure out you could charm a backstabbing mob and just sit there in a group practically AFK since Charm almost never breaks even with low CHA and out damage every other class. No one knew!

The reality is we won't ever know. There is simply no way to prove it. You can keep trying but it's a pointless endeavor. We're talking about dozens of servers with thousands of players on each server. All that data in regards to how each individual person played their respective class is lost in time.

Just like when early guilds were zerging Naggy with 100+ players and binding in his lair. Not a single Enchanter ever thought to just charm a mob and sit back while it soloed a dragon with a cleric to CH it. What a totally insane a complicated strategy that clearly was completely possible on live but no one was smart enough to try.

Pure speculation and flawed childlike reasoning

Your perspective is completely skewed by this need to nerf a class and frankly you should be ashamed of yourself