Also, one thing that came out of this debacle is that derubael was also dabbling in RMT. I dont know the details but xp loss in pvp made it that nihilum held a stranglehold on raid content for a long time. So its possible that since derubael had something to gain from red being a shit show, maybe thats why red was allowed to be bled dry of its players for so long and why its in sad ass shape it is today. Theres the issue of trust, after they nerfed xp in kunark, like half of the already crippled pop of the server quit. Like why would you play and invest serious time on a server where devs seem to have abandoned it to 2 GMs who seem to not know what the fuck they are doing (Sirken and Derubael)
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