[bobjonesp99]

trying to better understand the combat statistics in p99. i have a general understanding of weapon damage formulas and proc rates, but there is some things that aren't very clearly defined that i am trying to get a better understanding of. specifically i am talking about a warrior in this example, but presumably the same applies to other classes (with some minor exceptions).

proc rate:

i have read and understand that proc rates are defined on a per minute basis. as i understand, they are normalized to your 'per swing' rate, ignoring things like haste, weapon delay, and double/triple attack.

i have read that proc rate is 0.5 to 2.0 ppm from 85 dex to 255. this would imply 85 to 170 dex equated to 0.5 to 1.5 ppm and 170 to 255 dex equating to 1.5 to 2.0 ppm.

i have read that proc rate is dex/170+0.5 ppm. this would mean 0 dex equate to 0.5 ppm, 85 dex to 1.0 ppm, 170 dex to 1.5 ppm, and 255 dex to 2.0ppm.

can anyone confirm either of the above statements to be accurate with some level of certainty?

i have read 'the secondary proc rate is equal to half the primary proc rate'. is it actually half? or is it based on your dual wield chance? in other words, if you just reached dual wield level, are you actually getting half the proc rate for the secondary? i have also heard some people suggest that their secondary seems to proc MORE than 50% of the primary... which begs the question of is it based on dual wield chance.


dual wield:

i have read the formula for dual wield is [dual wield skill + level] / [max skill]. i have read the max skill could be anywhere from 400 to 600 depending on class and that is is unclear what is used in P99.

assuming max skill 600 means a level 60 warrior with 240 dual wield skill would dual wield 50% of the time.

assuming max skill 400 means a level 60 warrior with 240 dual wield skill would dual wield 75% of the time.

can anyone confirm either of the above statements to be accurate with some level of certainty?

another question is, does the dual wield attack act as a 'proc' on the primary attack? i.e. is it that the dual wield is attacking only when a successful dual wield is rolled on the primary (and then separately adjusting the number of attacks to account for the damage/delay of the secondary)? or does the dual wield act as a delay modifier (i.e. like haste in reverse) reducing the secondary delay by dividing by the dual wield modifier?


double attack / triple attack:

parsing this is all complicated due to double/triple attack which adds another couple variables.

i have read the formula for double attack is [double attack skill] / [max skill x 1.05]. i have read the max skill could be anywhere from 400 to 600 depending on class and that is is unclear what is used in P99.

assuming its 600 means a level 60 warrior with 245 double attack skill would double attack 38.888% of the time.

assuming its 400 means a level 60 warrior with 245 double attack skill would double attack 58.333% of the time.

although not a skill that you can train, most warriors confidently state that triple attack is a real thing. i have read the formula for triple attack is [double attack skill x 0.5] / [max skill x 1.05]. this implies half the rate for triple attack as double attack.

assuming its 600 means a level 60 warrior with 245 double attack skill would triple attack 19.444% of the time.

assuming its 400 means a level 60 warrior with 245 double attack skill would double attack 29.167% of the time.

one thing that is unclear to me, is if triple attacks only apply to primary weapon attacks, or also apply to secondary weapon attacks. from my limited parsing, i did not see any triple attacks on the secondary, but i am still unclear if that is accurate or a sample bias. i am also not entirely convinced triple attacks are an actual thing for dual wield weapons and may just look that way due to hasted delays < 10 giving multiple primary rounds (with successful double attacks) in a single second. most warriors seem convinced it is a thing, so i have included it for completeness and discussion.


some parse data:

i parsed a level 60 warrior with max skills, 58 percent haste, and was equipping a primary infestation (9/18) + secondary frostbringer (12/22).

across the 83 second fight i saw 1085 primary attempts compared to 585 secondary attempts; keep in mind total attempts includes dual wield chance, double attack chance, and triple attack chance.

based on those weapons delays and haste i am calculating an estimated ~54.5 primary swings per minute and ~42.9 secondary swings per minute; keep in mind this does not account for dual wield chance, double attack chance, and triple attack chance.

from the actual attempts per minute for primary and secondary, i can back calculate the attempts per swing.

what i saw was that attempts per swing for the primary was ~1.54 and for the secondary was approximately ~1.13; keep in mind this is independent of haste and the delay of the weapons... it is calculated as dual wield chance (100% for primary) + dual wield chance x double attack chance + dual wield chance x triple attack chance.

this results in a non-unique formula since we don't know exactly what the dual wield chance, double attack chance, and triple attack chance are due to the unknown 'max skill' used in those calculations. we can assume values and try and come up with estimates. i was able to get a very close approximation to the damage per second, and number of attempts for primary and secondary by assuming max skill = 400 for dual wield and double attack, and assuming that triple attack is not real (only observed to be true due to hasted weapon delays < 10). this implies a 58% double attack chance, 75% dual wield chance. that results in primary attempts per swing of ~1.58 and secondary attempts per swing of 1.19. have a 75% dual wield chance would also give some weight to the prior statement that some warriors suggest proc rate for secondary weapons is >50% of the primary weapon.

all of that said, i am sure someone else has gone down this rabbit hole and can provide some additional insight to many of the questions above.


white damage hate:

one last question regarding white damage hate.

i have read the formula for white damage hate is [weapon damage + bonus weapon damage] / [weapon delay]. i understand this is independent of player attack rating, target ac, randomness in actual weapon damage, and any damage mitigation that gets applied. i also understand this is impacted by haste. my question is, do double/triple attacks get accounted for as well? or is it just the initial 'swing'? as you can see it all ties into the above calculation.

i look forward to the potential discussions!