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Originally Posted by Fammaden
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The statement "DPS is unimportant" is obviously vastly overstated and nonsensical on its face, but as usual Shamwowi's actual point is better than his ability to deliver it.
His point being more that "optimized dps is not important" and that's more true. A suboptimal but reasonably balanced group can do probably 80% of the efficiency of a perfect composition for the given era, and that's really good enough for grinding xp when it comes to doing pick up groups.
However, I'd stand by what I said at the beginning of the thread, pre-Kunark rogues are VERY sub-optimal to the degree that it definitely does make a difference and I don't blame anyone for not really wanting them in groups if they had the choice on green.
Lacking the wider range of haste items, higher haste percentages, improved ratio weapons, and the massive boost of double backstab at 55+, I'm sticking with the rogue class as most underpowered in the classic/vanilla era.
A nearly completely group dependent class that generally slows groups down versus most other DPS options in the pre-expansion game, and needs a tank in group to function at all so all those pet-centric xp groups in sub-50 classic timeline don't have any use for you at all.
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The problem isn't the delivery of my point in most cases (not all, I do misspeak at times, and admit it when I do). The general problem is people on this forum prefer "gotcha" moments over real discussion. I never said "DPS is unimportant". You can check the post history. This is an oversimplification of my argument either due to lack of reading, or "gotcha".
This latest discussion about DPS started on page 31, where Zuranthium attempted to claim that Mages have high DPS, therefore they are much better than my previous assessment of the class. To which I responded:
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Unfortunately in most solo/group situations utility is greater than DPS. It doesn't make mages any better. I'd take a Necro's utility over a Mage's DPS any day of the week. There is a reason why groups do not gear check members. DPS really isn't that important most of the time. If it was, you would get screened out of a group if your gear was bad while you were playing Rogue, Monk, etc.
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When I say "DPS really isn't that important most of the time", that isn't me saying "DPS is unimportant and you can kill mobs without damage". There is a reason why I say "Isn't that important most of the time". In English that means it matters, but it isn't the primary factor. I don't believe I ever said "DPS is unimportant" flat out. I am sorry if people do not understand the difference between the two statements, or if they speed read through my posts.
I basically re-iterate this point multiple times in between page 31 and now.