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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist
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I didn't walk it back to be honest. Someone simply pointed out that you could get a bit more DPS from clickies. It was a good point, and changes the equation a bit, but a Shaman can also get more DPS from clickies. My calculations for 80DPS vs. 70DPS weren't taking into account Shaman or Mage clickies. It wasn't a one sided shift.
Math-wise Mage and Shaman DPS doesn't have a vast gulf, like people have been trying to claim. The entire argument of bringing a Mage is Malo + Charm Break Safety + DPS. A Shaman has Malo + Charm Break Safety covered, and DPS wise the different isn't vast. A difference in 30 DPS isn't going to matter with two Charmed Enchanter pets. A Shaman is simply bringing a much broader toolkit to the table without a huge sacrifice in DPS.
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I just want to point how how you continue to move the goalposts. You started out saying that a Shaman can out-DPS a Mage, then you shifted to saying the Shaman is "close enough" DPS to the Mage, now you are saying that a Shaman can also be casting slow and Malo as well as spamming a JBB, while still putting out DPS comparable to a Mage. The entire basis of your "math" argument rested on the fact that a Shaman can output respectable DPS across multiple rooted mobs IF YOU DO NOTHING BUT CAST DOTS AND CANNI/TORPOR NONSTOP. And yet you continue to pile on all these other things the Shaman is supposedly doing at the same time. It's almost as if you are dishonest, or more probably just have an enormous intellectual blind spot in this argument as a consequence of your "special" psychology.
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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist
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A Mage's DPS is also going to be lower in a fight that is 20-30 seconds long
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And here we see you don't even understand the concept of DPS, or at least how DPS works for a Mage compared to a Shaman. A Mage does not need his DoTs to ramp up over time the way a Shaman does with Epic, or with any DoT for that matter to get the full mana/HP value of the spell. The Mage pet is basically a chainsaw you aim at a mob and it does XXX damage every second it's attacking. It doesn't matter if it attacks the mob for 10 seconds or 1000 seconds. The DPS is the same because it always does XXX damage for every second its attacking (on average). And as long as the fight lasts long enough to get one clickie nuke from staff or boots, you are also getting the full DPS value from those items as well. And most importantly, all of that damage from the pet and the clickie nuke is MANA-FREE and can be sustained indefinitely with essentially zero effort besides two button clicks per mob. Meanwhile, you are apparently rooting, slowing, maloing, casting epic, JBB, Pox, Bane, Canni and Torpor all while maintaining DPS equivalent to a Mage who is using ZERO MANA. It's an asinine claim.