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Originally Posted by Troxx
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I will say this: emergencies when they do arise are the responsibility of everyone in the group. 3 players in this theoretical group already have massive (the best) capabilities to deal with these circumstances: enchanter x2 and cleric for reasons that should be OBVIOUS.
Can a mage help out? Yep. It’s called using your pet to tank and lock down crap and/or unloading your mana bar. In a full, reckless/feckless burn a mage can crank out around 200dps (+/-) a bit depending on resists to get shit dead. If the shit is dead, no emergency. Or how about dash out of range and CoTH the cleric to wipe aggro and then take one for the team (suicide) so the group can hard reboot. Or heck even quick camp the inevitable wipe and CoTH the cleric back to a safe spot to rez in?
None of this should ever happen (ever) in a group of competent players.
So yeah. Mages do more than twice the damage of shamans. The group doesn’t need the shaman utility or safety net.
So the mage is more than twice as desirable as the shaman.
Glad DSM and I finally agree!
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I feel like there's a strong chance DSM has never actually been in a group with 2 good encs and a good cleric before. He absolutely refuses to believe they won't constantly be in danger or making mistakes that only a shaman can correct for some reason. If that's been his only experience then you can't really fault him for feeling like his utility/heals matter. I think the rest of us are painfully aware of how unneeded shaman utility/heals are in a group like this consisting of good players. He keeps trying to belittle how much extra benefit you get from more DPS but the problem is with the right players in this group comp you get literally 0 benefit from the utility and heals he provides. They simply don't need it. Any amount of DPS is better and it doesn't matter how many extra kills you do or don't get.
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The most common group I had at Fungi King was Monk/Enchanter/Shaman and sometimes a Cleric, either a player or a pocket Cleric.
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Question isn't whats the most common group for x camp. This isn't a class popularity contest. You can do fungi camp with a wide variety of sub-optimal groups. It's not THAT hard of a camp in the first place. The question AGAIN is what is the BEST group of casters/priests overall. You seem to forget what the actual question is and steer off into the weeds very frequently.