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Originally Posted by Mezzmur
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If people want to camp on the ledge and play alts then mobilize as fast as they can, I think it's their prerogative. It's the spawn-socking that's what sucks, never being afk, imho.
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This is a part that I agree with whole heartedly. I don't define socking as having buffed characters camped out at the ledge. What I consider socking is when players are actively logged in but doing nothing but wait for a mob - which is what I would love to see end.
Originally, camping a character at the ledge was the way it was done - then one side (not even sure I know which, but it doesnt really matter) started keeping their raid force logged in so as to cut that minute or two off that it takes to switch characters - that is when the poopsocking started. It reached full force when both raids up'd the ante by camping on the spawn point instead of the ledge.
As I type this, there are 10 characters from each guild sitting on the ledge doing nothing - myself included. This is a shame and a waste of time (well, I'm watching movies and would be doing that anyway, but still..) What Kins was trying to propose with the tracker/coh bot limit was to force some artificial mobilization. His idea was less about getting people behind a door or making an imaginary line in the sand and more about removing the incentive for guilds to sit in the lair by removing it as an option.
As long as TMO has been a merged guild with DA, I've never seen you guys not camp out at the ledge like us - the CoH option has already been proposed by Kins and denied by Zeelot - and I guess that is fine - it is Zeelot's decision. However, you make it sound like the only reason you camp at the ledge is because we do, when we've made it very clear we'd agree, and actually prefer a system that encourages a race as opposed to ledge camping.
I think your banish idea isn't such a bad one, but the result would still be people sitting on ledge, waiting until his 15 second or whatever banish window is over, and then engaging. While it would be better, it wouldn't solve the issue of poopsocking imo - although like I've said to Skope, I'm willing to put my endorsement behind any idea that I think will make things better, so yea, I'd totally support this idea if another, more effective option isn't brought up (still prefer 100% variance, but anything is better than what we've got).