Originally Posted by Arcaenus
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After reading, it seems there are quite a few opinions and ideas floating around but nothing definitive. Maybe its definitive in some peoples minds, but nothing is really set out and clear. It also seems (from what has been said here and in other places in the forums) that the GMs want players to figure things out / solve their own problems, and are inclined to uphold general population created solutions / customs.
Therefore, in an attempt to move towards a more concrete understanding, I propose the following, open for further debate and discussion:
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It is the desire of the general Green server population that the following customs be upheld with respect to the OOT AC camp:
1. The current holder of the camp shall maintain the list of “next in line players”. When requested, the holder shall relay the list. Upon adding / removing someone from the list, he/she will announce the updated list in /ooc.
INTENT: the holder is the point person for updating / relaying the list while holding the camp — the whole list, not just the next name on the list. It’s communicated in /ooc to keep things transparent yet localized.
2. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the camp shall pass to the next name on the list (see #7).
INTENT: the holder does not get to pick who gets the camp next, the list shall be honored)
3. To be added to the list, a player must present themselves physically at the camp and ask the current holder to be added. The holder will update / announce the list accordingly.
INTENT: no sending a /tell from another zone asking to be added, or having a friend in zone ask for you to be added. You need to show up.
3.A) A person wishing to be added to the list, but give looting rights to their alt, shall make this known to the holder when requesting to be added. The holder adds their name along the format “Maintoon (looter: Alttoon)”.
INTENT: keep everything open, transparent, and organized
3.B) To maintain their places on the list, players must remain logged into the server, but are not required to remain in OOT. If playing an alt, the player will notify the holder, who will update the name on the list to format “Maintoon (alt: Twinktoon)”.
INTENT: unlike the “formal” (coded) /list camps - unique to p99- where online, active presence is required in close proximity to the spawn point to remain on the list, this “less formal” player-maintained camp list allows players to do other things (pretty darn generous IMO) provided they stay online and in the game.
Discussion: Is this too generous? In line with the spirit of the game? Should the custom be that if you want to stay on the list, you plant your butt at the AC camp and stay there until its your turn (just without the automated /afk checks coded into the “formal” /list camps?
INTENT: The intent of the list update is to keep everything open and transparent, and so that subsequent holders of the camp can maintain the list and have a known point of contact for names on the list).
4. If a player on the list goes offline (not on the server on any known identity) for a period longer than (say) 2 spawn cycles (just about 15 minutes), that name shall be removed from the list and the updated list stated in /ooc.
NOTE: it is NOT the responsibility of the holder to regularly and actively confirm everyone on the list is online (his/her responsibility is to maintain/relay the list). The practical assumption is, if someone new travels to the zone and asks to be on the list, then checks and notices the 3 names between the holder and their own are not online, he/she will say something to the holder (in /say? In /ooc?). The two of them will check via “/who all Soandso” following the next two spawns. If neither find the person online after 2 such spawn checks, the name will be removed and the updated list repeated in /ooc.
INTENT: you are already permitted to grind in another zone, in an alt, or even sit afk (!) and maintain your spot. Logging off for 3 hours, then logging in and expecting to keep your spot in line, just seems too much and not within the spirit of lists. Your power goes out for 2 hours? That’s life.
5. Upon successful killing / looting of the AC, the holder shall send a /tell to the next two names on the list advising of the kill. The holder will remain present / clear camp for 2 more spawn cycles. If the first in line is not in place to take the camp at that point (either has not ported in, logged in the main toon they camped at the spot, or is present but /afk or otherwise non-responsive, etc.) their name is removed and the holder notifies the second in line, who will then have 1 more cycle to be in place to take the camp.
INTENT: allowing for a reasonable transition between camp holders, while also establishing a “succession” path should next in line not show).
NOTE 1: it is strongly recommended, but not requires, that the first up on the list be in the zone, active, and ready to go.
NOTE 2: it is not intended that the outgoing or incoming holder be responsible for notifying everyone else on the list of the change; it is assumed/expected that anyone on the list will periodically look and see where things are at.
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Discuss!
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