Okay, dunno if any of what I read actually makes a difference, but I read to kill the undead around the obelisk until it's skeletons only, and use the initiates symbol while standing on the obelisk. Sure enough at 8pm he finally popped, and then the courier a bit later.
I nearly died tracking the courier because I ran too close to the dark elf camp, but I got it down. Only the warden symbol left to go after.
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Starspangledman - 51 Paladin (Blue)
Buckleup - 54 Druid (Blue) <Kittens Who Say Meow>
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