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Daveon Silverstring
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(1/21/02 4:40:57 pm)
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Re: Question Concerning Bard Melee (Again)
If you're worried about aggro from melee, you probably shouldn't be. You are not likely**, by melee alone, get to the top of the hate list in any group with a monk, warrior, ranger, paladin, or shadow knight in it (if it's just casters, you, and a rogue, you might get to the top if the rogue keeps using that ability to lower aggro). You just won't under normal circumstances (even with a 110pt proc).

Now when you start weaving songs in with your melee, and if you play high hate songs, you might have to worry. But know which songs aggro more than others, and just take a step back if you aggroed too much. Note: manasong is low hate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only time you really have to worry about hate is in situations when you have adds and your songs are the first things the creatures notice (no one is tanking them), so they come and attack you. So you've got a mez or a charm memed for that, right? Or let the enchanter do her job. Being a plate class, you should have enough AC to deal with a few hits from a couple adds. Just make sure the buffer(s) aren't forgetting to give you AC and HP buffs...

BTW, I'd go for Wristsnapper (lol, snappah) / Flameweaver combo as well. The extra str/sta from the Centi LS isn't going to do squat for a bard...(heh, you might hit for 1 more damage, and you might have 10 more hps, lol)

** I said not likely...mostly because there's been times when I was first to assist, and I hit for full damage on my first couple hits, and had a 110pt proc thrown in there, where I was at the top of the list. But a couple seconds later, the warrior's taunt kicked in...

BTW, all bets are off if you're just pairing up with a hybrid. If the hybrid isn't casting spells to maintain hate, you're going to get it easy with your melee plus songs.

--Daveon Silverstring
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Moya Starsinger
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(8/13/02 12:57 pm)
Reply Re: bard vs. chanter
I'm a 60 bard with a 52 enchanter so I have seen both sides. As a bard, I am typically backup to the enchanters on a raid. In that case, I only mez if the enchanter is dead or getting eaten typically. I don't if they are beating on me, the enchanter is the primary CC and I don't interfere unless I am afraid they are going to bite it. In the enchanter role, I love the bards as long as they know what they are doing. I have grouped with one that was doing AE damage and not paying attention, that irked me but I eventually straightened her out......

As a bard, I have seen enchanters that appreciated me pulling Mob01 off of them when they were being resisted and some that harassed me for it. If they harass me, then next time I wait for them to bite it, then I mez the mob before it gets to the cleric.........Typically, if there is an enchanter, I don't do whatever they are. I use the warcry to boost haste over the cap because the enchanter is going to get them to the cap probably and just boost Attack/str and then cantata usually, maybe a ds thrown in sometimes.

Bards are great enhancers and actually as good as another melee in most situations. We can pull, we can backup CC, we are downtime reducers and can help the tanks that are there kill faster. In addition, bards are melee and help kill the mobs faster. Don't be so quick to dismiss a bard as unimportant in a group or less useful than a tank because you can't see all the damage we are doing. Calculate the healing/mana regen from Cantata that stacks with everything, the 25% haste over cap that we can add, the pluses to attack, str, and the damage shield damage and then come back and talk to me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think you will be suprised.

Moya Starsinger
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valencia
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(10/26/02 9:16 am)
Reply bards
I love to have a good bard in my group. when i get high on the agro list many times the bard is the only one that can tick that mob off more than me, with a agro grabbing mezz, or i have a mob beating on me, he charms its no longer hurting me. i think one of my best bard experiences, was when i raided chardok royals. we stormed the kind and us 2 enchanters held the mezzes. when we were OOM, the bards took over and picked up where we left off. perfect team work. as far as enchanters being teritorial i as a fellow enchanter have ran into this. i hate to say it but it drives me nuts to. where if i am on buff debuff nuk duty and she is on mezzes. but i see a cleric geting beat on and the mezzing chanter not getting that mob. i can take the 2.5 seconds to type out a wake up message to her, and hope my stun saves the cleric . or i can take those 2.5 seconds to have my mezz casted and the cleric an d group/raid safe. i have had to do this a few times where the other enchanter with us was either having a bad day or was clueless, but i wont stand there and not use my full ine of abilities when teh time calls for it. my take on it? the mobs were mezzed. no one died. we got what we were after be it safetly, loot or experience. so why are we complaining if someone tossed out a mezz. this isnt a competition. we are much more effective when we work together. i know as the mezzing chanter if i have a few extra mobs and the other chanter wants to grab one for a charm or a mezz or to get it undercontrol faster, i will be happy, not feeling steped on. as long as she lets me know what she is mezzing and she doesnt take it upon herself to do all my mezzes, i dont mind some good old fashioned teamwork

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