Project 1999 - View Single Post - monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

Did a quick test with my Monk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVkVNorTzIQ . He is only 52, so damage bonuses will be different between level 52 and level 60. Damage bonuses can be found here: https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1

I only used my 34% worn haste. I didn't click my Epic to ensure I didn't have a point in the fight where the spell haste wore off, which could offset the DPS. I did 3 fights for each test. I also didn't use any combat abilities like Flying Kick.

I picked the two Giants under the FM Fort because they are level 50, and my Monk is level 52. This should be a better representation of a higher than average AC fight, compared to my Monk fighting a mob who's level is in the mid 40s. From my experience I believe these Giants have a bit higher AC than normal too, but could be wrong. My Dual Wield Skill Level is 252.

First test is Epic Fist Main Hand + Stave of Shielding Offhand:

59 seconds + 54 seconds + 50 seconds

4999 damage 163 seconds = 30.67 DPS

Second test is Imbued Fighters Staff. I was unequipping it to get Epic Fist Dual Wield hits in-between swings:

46 seconds + 58 seconds + 51 seconds = 155 seconds

4883 damage over 155 seconds = 31.5 DPS

The DPS is basically identical between Epic Fist + SoS and Imbued Fighters Staff + Punches. 30.66 DPS vs 31.5 DPS at level 52. The total damage from the 1h weapons was a bit higher too. Obviously this is because the damage bonus on 2h weapons at level 52 is lower than level 60, but remember that OP is currently level 16.

This is why I keep saying people need to math things out and/or do parsing. Sometimes people over generalize. Obviously 2h weapons got a big boost, but that doesn't mean that they are always better at all times, or always leagues ahead of their 1 handed Dual Wield counterparts.

When looking at Dual Wield chance, I had 209 punches vs 101 crushes in the 1h test, so that is a 48% chance to dual wield. For the 2h weapon I had 63 punches vs 92 crushes, which is a 68% chance to Dual Wield. This assumes I never made any errors when unequipping the 2h weapon. Given the average between 48 and 68 is 58, and double attack is included in these numbers, Dual Wield Chance seems to still be closer to 50%. Perhaps the higher delay on the Stave of Shielding was blocking some extra Dual Wield swings, especially since I wasn't using Epic haste.

Just to defend "napkin" math, we can do the math as well with the given data:

Epic Fist Minimum Damage (Primary Hand) = 10
Epic Fist Maximum Damge (Primary Hand) = 44
Epic Fist Average Damage (Primary Hand) = (10 + 44) / 2 = 27

209 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 104 hits

(27 * 104) = 2808 Damage

Stave of Shielding Minimum Damage (Off Hand) = 2
Stave of Shielding Maximum Damage (Off Hand) = 66
Stave of Shielding Average Damage (Off Hand) = (66 + 2) / 2 = 34

101 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 50 hits

34 * 50 = 1700 Damage

2808 + 1700 = 4508 Average Damage compared to 4999 Actual Damage.

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Imbued Fighters Staff Minimum Damage (Primary Hand) = 22
Imbued Fighters Staff Maximum Damge (Primary Hand) = 169
Imbued Fighters Staff Average Damage (Primary Hand) = (169 + 22) / 2 = 95.5

92 Swings * 0.5 hit rate = 46 hits

95.5 * 46 = 4393 Damage

Epic Fist Minimum Damage (Off Hand) = 1
Epic Fist Maximum Damge (Off Hand) = 31
Epic Fist Average Damage (Off Hand) = (1 + 31) / 2 = 16

63 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 31 hits

16 * 31 = 496 Damage

4393 + 496 = 4889 Damage compared to 4883 Actual Damage.

In this scenario I did above average damage with the 1h Dual Wield weapons. This is more likely to occur in a short period, due to the larger number of swings Dual Wield gets. The 2h weapon performed at basically the average. This is due to what I mentioned in an earlier post. The Dual Wield weapons are getting 2x the swings of the 2h Weapon + Punches. If every 150 swings is one coin toss (Tails = Below Average, Heads = Above Average), you'll get the following possibilities:

1h Dual Wield Weapons:

Tails + Tails = Below Average DPS
Tails + Heads = Average DPS
Heads + Tails = Average DPS
Heads + Heads = Above Average DPS

2h Weapons:

Tails = Below Average DPS
Heads = Above Average DPS

I got Heads + Heads on the 1h Dual Wield Weapons, and Tails on the 2h Weapon, as I was just below Average. In this specific scenario, Below Average was very close to the average, but it could have been worse. This is something to consider when determining which weapon set you want to use when fighting a single target raid mob. Over hundreds of fights the average will even out of course, but you'll only be fighting 1 AoW every 7 days, assuming you raid every week.

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Let's project these weapons to level 60 using the level 60 damage bonuses:

Epic Fist Minimum Damage (Primary Hand) = 12
Epic Fist Maximum Damge (Primary Hand) = 46
Epic Fist Average Damage (Primary Hand) = (10 + 44) / 2 = 29

209 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 104 hits

(29 * 104) = 3016 Damage

Stave of Shielding Minimum Damage (Off Hand) = 2
Stave of Shielding Maximum Damage (Off Hand) = 66
Stave of Shielding Average Damage (Off Hand) = (66 + 2) / 2 = 34

101 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 50 hits

34 * 50 = 1700 Damage

3016 + 1700 = 4716 Average Damage

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Imbued Fighters Staff Minimum Damage (Primary Hand) = 38
Imbued Fighters Staff Maximum Damge (Primary Hand) = 185
Imbued Fighters Staff Average Damage (Primary Hand) = (185 + 38) / 2 = 111.5

92 Swings * 0.5 hit rate = 46 hits

111.5 * 46 = 5,129 Damage

Epic Fist Minimum Damage (Off Hand) = 1
Epic Fist Maximum Damge (Off Hand) = 31
Epic Fist Average Damage (Off Hand) = (1 + 31) / 2 = 16

63 swings * 0.5 hit rate = 31 hits

16 * 31 = 496 Damage

5,129 + 496 = 5625 Average Damage

At level 60 the gap between Imbued Fighters Staff and Epic Fist + Stave of Shielding obviously increases due to the increase in the damage bonus. If you are not switching out Imbued Fighters Staff every swing due to laziness (many people do not switch out their 2h weapon every swing), the Epic Fist + Stave of Shielding would still do basically equal damage to Imbued Fighters staff in the same video example with a level 60 Monk.