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Originally Posted by Stryker85
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You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."
It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?
Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.
LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.
No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.
My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.
If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.
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I think there's a misunderstanding here, it is a sick kill and grats on doing it.
But in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher. Those types of challenges exist to see how far you can push the class and solo, self buffed and no "strong clickies" is basically the highest step. If it can be done it can and if it can't it can't. The whole point is seeing what can and can't be done and finding the minimum threshold basically. If you've found it for monk on fungi king and it required buffs then so be it! You set the bar higher, you're the first to do it and possibly last.
The raid gear point is a theoretical argument about staying consistent with the rules. IIRC the solo artist challenge was during kunark era. So if today my 1400hp chanter gets an aego to 2500hp it is not considered "legal" according to the challenge but with velious power creep if I get BIS VP/TOV gear I'll probably be sitting around 2500hp self buffed. What's the difference? I'm just saying context is important. They might nerf lull to the point where you can't lull mobs above level 50 so a lot of chanters kills of yore will lose significance if that ever hits since some of the strategies will no longer be viable. That would make some newer kills more difficult thus rank higher and it will be up to chanters to see what can and can't be done under new ruleset.
P.S. I think splorf22 is lorean, and I think lorean got a clean solo chanter kill on king too.