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Originally Posted by Cecily
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Did the black streamer Levelup Larry who was in the guild think you guys were racist? I feel like the answer to that is a fucking hell of a lot more important than anything thought by the droves of well-meaning white people screaming racist from the sidelines.
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It'd be interesting to know their thoughts, even just their feelings about the guild being disbanded.
But ITT there's really only been speculation about why the guild was disbanded, with then lead GM publicly stating that racism was one of the main reasons. Even the copy/pasted forum posts fall short of that, so considering livestreams are more public than RNF threads, chances are no one said anything to troll the popular livestreamer in their own guild.
Also, some of us don't belong to any one demographic, but have more ambiguous backgrounds, myself included. But jury's still out on whether that amounts to anything ITT.
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Originally Posted by Cecily
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This is my biggest issue with "allies." Bleeding hearts who think their hearts are in the right place when they're really getting blood all over shit on behalf of another demographic who don't even care.
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Best I can tell, no one's trying to be an ally, unless those insults were meant for staff? But, even then, staff merely enforced the rules and then updated those rules to reflect their position on certain behaviors. The OP argument is that the guild was "canceled" unfairly and we are to believe something conspiratorial took place, rather than accept the reasons provided by Menden. Tough sell.
Whether the premise of the guild was genuine or not, there's no point in being offended for others or oneself. On the other hand, indifference isn't a great alternative either because of that whole paradox of tolerance thing. Regardless, actively trying to be offensive is a waste of time, energy, and a poor use of intelligence. It can be done well, but that requires humor and perspective. So unless they're working comedians, which seems unlikely, maybe stick to doing what nerd-related activities.
If offended that others seem to have taken offense, first recognize the dilemma in that, but then also question whether anyone else is actually offended or even mildly annoyed. This project is older the sin and some of the names involved have been around since the beginning. They earned a reputation for trolling/trying to be offensive. Due to the number of posts, it came to be expected from them and so, eventually, it stopped having the intended effect. All the same, breaking the rules is an offense. And always it is the case that certain people will test the waters or poke the bear and then /yell for help when the waters overtake them or the bear wakes from its slumber. The waters were the rules. The bear was the GM. Anyone wanting to repeat history probably wouldn't be deterred by any naysaying here.
Personally, it's just fun to consider the beginning, middle, and end of what all happened, but also frustrating without all of the information. It's also interesting to consider might have been, if the guild had been created by players with higher INT/WIS, which is ironic. Given that trolls have low scores in both, maybe they ought to start a new guild using that race only. Then, whenever they troll, they can legitimately use roleplay as an excuse or plead ignorance of the rules. No sarcasm at all. It would have been a clever answer to the events that played out. Instead, here we are, with this thread. If anything is offensive, it's offensive to not put effort into this, to not forth something more inspired than a thread that is lacking, roleplay among other things.
The creativity this game allows is part of what's worth discussing, more so than whether or not guild #15109 will get to reform. There had to be similar guilds back in the day.