[Tombom]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lead a PvP Guild on some shitty server. Congrats. There's far more to game theory than what you try to purport.



Your closed-minded assumptions as to what constitutes good PvP or what this server is going to be or the definition of classic are leading the discussion nowhere. If EQ is the only PvP you've ever played, then you should really just stop talking altogether.

The reason PvP takes place should predominantly be because players want to play in an RPG combat setting against other players, given that humans are more complex and unpredictable than the programmed PvE encounters, which leads to a far more challenging and dynamic kind of game.

PvE is the backdrop and it still needs to have importance, such as getting equipment and leveling (my example of someone leveling only from PvP is merely an option that would be available, not what is the most frugal) and most definitely the element of danger it adds to the game, but it shouldn't be what drives everything in and of itself. Getting a talented group of players together and going out and trying to defeat other groups of players should be a large goal; if you want to PvP then you should find it fun to fight other players.

Perhaps I should mention that I want a Sullon Zek kind of team-PvP with what I'm envisioning. Defending territories and missions into enemy territory should be a revolving part of the PvP experience within an immersive PvP game World. The PvE element of the game is important here for the obstacles and extra rewards it provides. I would also want daily 6v6 PvP tournaments with a ranking board for both Guilds and Individuals. These tournaments would be only about contained PvP without the added elements of PvE monsters or unequal numbers of players fighting, but PvE would still be important to these players because they would still need to go out and interact in the game World to get the necessary gear (since the most powerful items are No Drop) if they want the best odds possible.

This kind of server would be the most immersive and varied kind of competitive RPG experience you could hope for. You exist within a World where anyone can kill you at any moment (even if they are part of your same faction, you just wouldn't get any additional penalties from players of your faction), but you are ultimately battling against other factions and taking part in epic adventures where dangerous is constantly lurking and ever-changing. Many different styles of PvP would be important, from guerrilla tactics out in the game world to massive-scale battles between factions in contest zones to the more micro-oriented 6v6 battles within contained environments that don't have outside influences.

Maybe I could even be wrong about Item Loot within that vision I have for the best kind of PvP server, but I've played a plethora of MUDs and other games which allow looting and to me the feature makes it that much more realistic and terrifying. When there is the possibly of losing something tangible, you become that much more involved. Then there is this final point as well:

WAY TL did not R, consider going to divry to create your dream game.