[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Rukku [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take it that your first experiences on these games involved using vent.

You were wrong here so I didn't read the rest of your post.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mardur,

First there is nothing "bad" about using absolutes. The problem is if you use them on an easily debated statement regarding how "all" people opposing vent are nostalgic larpers it makes you look extremely ignorant. Im giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming sassy hyperbole. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second there are plenty of reasons not to use it (in a non-pvp game). Here are some opinions and some facts:

* It adds a layer of complexity (initial set-up) to an easy game.

There's lots of things in this world that take a small amount of effort for a payoff. Doesn't mean you should be lazy.

* It for some (ie twice as many per the poll) ruins the RPG element, thus making a game less fun. The benefit better be painfully obvious.

That's fine but I don't actually believe that I'm a 7 foot ogre hauling 8 backpacks full of weapons and armor across magical lands to meet with my Elven friends.

* The spoken word is often more difficult to understand due to mic quality and accents. We all dont have broadcasting training.

So what? Do you live in some caucasian utopia where you never have to talk to a non-American? For six months my job was heavy phone communication with people from Asia-Pacific. I didn't give up because I couldn't understand someone from Dubai.

* Vent was created a while after the game was launched. That means classic Fear raids and Trak. My guild was raiding Ssra w/o it prior to PoP. No clue if the officers used it...they were pretty bright tho.

So what? There's dozens of things on this server that weren't available in classic.

* Having open mic night for the guild rarely brings people together. High stress makes people irritable and chatter is less annoying in text. People often like to to hear there own voices which can negatively impact morale.

Again, stop playing with tools and you might have some enjoyable conversations!

* The game isnt that hard with hotkeys. Pulling, CH chains, etc. Its faster to bang a button and have people read than to yell a phrase. You can also scroll back up if things go wrong, "i said to fucking camp out...read it!"

You can't macro the millions of things you may type over the course fo the game. And not everyone is going to be focused enough to see everything that was typed, even with the ability to scroll up. "I said to fucking camp out...read it!" takes me about 3 seconds to type, and less than 1 second to say. How many times have you been killed < 5 seconds to camp out?

* Voices carry inherent character judgement. Deep voices more trusting, squeaky frantic less so. It's not fair for a person in a mmo to be judged for their RL age, voice, or appearance. Its why we dont always choose humans.

I'm not a piece of shit human being so I don't judge people based on their voice. Dunno about you.

* Some people are shy and dont want to talk who would type otherwise. Likewise people who lose tempers and yell can turn people off of the experience.

If you're too "shy" to talk over Ventrilo than you have serious life problems. However, it's not necessary to communicate, just beneficial. All that's required is to listen to officers/leaders.




By the way, I'm not sure what all the personal attacks are about when I did nothing but give my opinion on the original post.

I don't care if someone uses vent or not. I've agreed with many points of people who prefer not to use vent in this thread. But if you say something stupid like "I can't make believe that Ohugrok isn't really a powerful Ogre warlord when I hear his voice" I'm going to feel compelled to reply.

Here's something to think about. Goobles and I were both members of the top raiding guild on The Sleeper (2006). Ventrilo wasn't required in this guild, and I didn't use it. We still dominated content and by the time we broke up (with server merge), we were in Uqua and the #2 guild didn't even have an Emp Ssra kill yet.

Inglorious Basterds, although a great group of people, didn't exhibit the same level of skill as that guild. Even so, Goobles was guildremoved. Why? Because we were able to deduce that he was a hindrance to the guild mostly through his antics in Ventrilo.

Some players don't care if they're bad at the game or whatever, they have fun. That's fine. But for anyone who wants to make the best of the game, Ventrilo is a boon. And I tend to favor those who want to make the best of the game. But this is how I am in real life as well, I'm okay with people without drive, but they're generally not the people I respect and befriend. Everyone has preferences.