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Originally Posted by Duie View Post
Link doesnt do it justice Bob. this is the number one reason you had more rotation servers than you had FTE . GMs didnt get involved too often when it came to raiding. you either worked it out or you spent a lot of time CRing
Yes I know...another thread on raiding on p99 and all the bullshit it involves. Sorry
In my opinion,
Seems like the most simple and elegant solution possible, something Devs can implement today which really would bring back that "classic feel", is ZERO gm interference for raid targets.
Guild X is going for CT, Guild Z Trains the shit outta them so they are unable to kill CT.
Normal scenario = Petitions, whining, bitching, GM intervention, suspensions, one guild getting loot over another, RnF posts, whining, bitching. Rinse and Repeat.
In my new perfect world there are no GM interventions. You don't like Guild Z training your shit? Train them back. For awhile its going to be a cluster fuck of trains. RnF will actually be worth reading again.
However, in the long run while this shitstorm is going on the intelligent players are going to realize, "shit man....we haven't killed anything worthwhile in weeks....all we do is train each other"
Once they realize this things should start to change, guild alliances, raid rotations, Big guilds letting small guilds help kill raid targets and getting to pick one item of loot off boss?! PEOPLE BEHAVING LIKE ADULTS!!?
Let the guilds police themselves. 99% of the server doesn't give a shit if Guild Z is Training Guild X in Fear. It does not effect us, we do not give a shit.
Spend your time fixing bugs, helping players with real issues and let the raid scene police its self.
The entire raid scene will deadlock if every time someone gets ready to kill Trak another guild trains them till they give up.
My option will FORCE guilds to play nice and free up DEV and GM time since they wont have to deal with the bullshit.
Not that anyone cares but, I am in Management at UPS. I learned a long time ago that if you treat your employees like children, always involving yourself every time they have the smallest issue, they will behave exactly like children. And I spent more time babysitting them than getting my work done.
However, if you treat them like intelligent adults and make them solve their own issues suddenly they have brains and are able to figure out most issues for themselves. Now a days I could not even show up to work and everything would be done and done correctly because I have a crew of people who think for themselves instead of a crew of children always looking to me to fix things.
I will admit I did not do much raiding Pre Velious and I have done ZERO raiding on P99, mostly due to not wanting to deal with all the bullshit here.
However, I think the P99 staff needs to step back and learn from my mistakes. Treat the players like adults and let the guilds police themselves and I think you will be pleasantly surprised in the long run.
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I am in Management at UPS.
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You really show your wisdom in this post thinking that letting a bunch of people terrorize each other with no intervention is somehow going to end with things being better and everyone hugging. Your way is the way it was done on TZ and the result was that one guild became dominant, competition faded, and the population dwindled. You probably know better though after all you're a manager at UPS.
Aside from that rediculousness that keeps being spewed I think that no CS involvement in VP is fantastic. These top tier raiders on this server are undoubtedly the most detrimental to the long term health of this server as they are the people who are using third party programs, and behaving like children. Everquest was a game that required team work. People didn't progress through content by only working with their own teams. People reached across servers to make it work. Here we have maybe 300 odd people who can't work together. Instead of growing up and realize that 12 year old emulated content doesn't amount to dick they shit up the forum with complaints about how the staff wants to run their own server, that they themselves put their own time and effort into. I think the top end of this server needs a lesson in humility and losing corpses because they want to act like adolescents over ancient pixels might be a good start.