We became friends with VD, we have a respectful and synbiotic relationship. It's not all about the loot my friend.
VD is not a pure hardcore guild and never will be since Coldblooded has a very specific panel of values and is kinda against it (personal opinion from what I see). I guess they're fine the way they are and with how things work. Some VD go in the IB vent and the other way round also.
VD is independant enough to take their own decisions, they don't need some frustrated TMO to give them advices I guess...
Peace
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