Originally Posted by Nirgon
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I think if you peel the bull shit away and realize time invested is an obfuscation of what's going on here (original SS evidence), along with the little snickery comments in there:
NAGAFEN GOING TO AE IN 12 SECONDS (LUL YA RITE), INC CH HUGHMAN (TROLOLOL LIKE IT MATTERS).
You can see that these kills have never been legit. "Hey let's do Vox next lol". Any attempt to save face at "well it was an accident so we're allowed to keep the loot" is just shockingly stupid to use as a defense... except when the deciding party accepts it.
There's doing it one time as an accident. Great, he'd still be alive after that kill and you'd all be better men for it. But that's not the case, both dragons have been killed several times including again after 100 pages of threads making light of it and exposing the truth.
My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?
->Knowing that a mob will bug out, then fucking with it for 3.5 hours and claiming the loot is yours to keep as legit each time, no suspensions or guild disband.
-> Not only Keeping the loot, but now beliefs are in place that mobs are being killed legitimately.
Let's be hypothetical here for a second-
I'm curious to see the result of our same force, let's call it 18 people, wiping you out in Lavastorm for an hour or two. Then, we start doing pulls and one of you stumbles in noticing we have the dragon in the same locations, pushing it into the wall.
What do I think will happen?
I see you guys running to the GMs again and us getting in an unreversable, absolute, shit ton of trouble. AKA all of us perma/IP banned.
History repeats itself:
->enemy guild exploits dragon, exploit is reported and petitioned along with screen shots. No one suspended, no guild disbanded, presumably loots are now being kept.
-> guild returns from suspension knowing the strat that is currently being witnessed and claimed as legit, wipes out enemy force, repeats strategy... receives punishment? Hmm.
That said, what do we do from here? What is permissible on a kill? I can't imagine "accidentally" getting the dragons to bug out for a .. what, 10th time is going to be OK?
I'm kind of repeating myself from the above here again but...
Apparently pushing it into or otherwise pulling it into a wall to get it to stop aoe'ing is cool beans, given we continue /gu'ing our CH rotation and breath timers over the course of a few hours. But this tactic, like the stolen one previous is known now. Whether or not we do decide to act upon it or not (and be at a disadvantage loot-wise) is up to us, and enforcement thereafter by the GMs.
^ What choice would any of you make?
Consider next coming Monday we log in and do this, what do you think will happen to us? Us being "the bad guy" aside, and perhaps perma-banned if we do make the decision, what happens to your guild when you're then in this situation?
I'm very interested in opinions outside of Holo/Nihi.
Mine? Leash the dragons until this push into a wall shit is fixed. Problem solved.
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