Our members have been doing all the things you said Ravager for a solid year or more. Think we were outclassed at first? We certainly were. Persistence is key, as well as good organization and committed leadership/membership. TMO has taken steps in the last month or so (unlike any other guild in server history) to open some end game content for guilds who don't necessarily want to put the time in to compete. So there you go, your problem is solved.
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