[Tecmos Deception]

This is going to be a fun one!

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The effects of raising dex is minimal unless you can get a whole heap of it.

We already covered this. Every SMALL stat increase gives a SMALL benefit. But that doesn't make doing a little bit of the right thing bad. And dex for warriors is the right thing, especially now that the OP is well beyond the point of clubbing orcs in oasis.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that its linear or not does not change the fact that dex in small amounts (when you're trading off things like AC AND HP----(which you ARE ASKING HIM TO DO)) is NOT beneficial.

Yes, there are other stats that are important to a warrior than dex. But there isn't much point having great ac and hp if you aren't going to be keeping aggro. And really, OP shouldn't be concerned with hp at all right now. He's an ogre already, so he'll have a boatload of hp without even trying to get any more hp or stam gear. He isn't going to be getting CHed all that often yet, probably. And I didn't really ask him to sacrifice much ac OR hp to pick up the dex items I suggested.

The helm? He'll lose several AC and 2 strength to gain 9 dex.
The cloak? If he is wearing werewolf skin cloak, he'll be gaining several AC and a whopping 13 dex while losing 3 str and 3 stam.
The face? Loses a couple ac and a few str to gain several dex.
The rings? He loses several AC and 110 hp to gain 10 str and 10 dex.

He's giving up things that he already has a TON of (hp and stam) and only a few AC in order to gain a few str and a bunch of dex.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct that I was looking at the stock values, which I agree is wrong. But I also am quite sure there was a dev post about 2h and 1hs having different values, but I'm not going to argue that without a direct quote.

What does this have to do with this thread?

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point here is the fact that you are completely disregarding the other stats (such as hp-str-ac) which are in lower levels, even more beneficial than a few extra points of dex, especially since its only VARIABLY affects your aggro gaining abilities (unlike str, which allows you to continuously hit harder & carry more which allows you to have different weps for different situations, AC which is the entire role of warriors, and hp because hp).

Again. 40 ogre warrior needs to be much more concerned with keeping aggro than with having 200 extra hp on his gear. His strength is already great. His AC? Yeah, it's very important. But it is less important than being able to keep aggro, and I can't help that warriors keep aggro via procs. And in just a few levels, when he ends up grouped with 49+ shamans on a pretty regular basis, his strength and stam are both going to be buffed up to 220+ even if he has a bunch of gear focused on improving his dex, which will NOT be anywhere near max even with buffs even with a lot of easily-buyable dex gear. Meanwhile, his AC will be passable and his HP will still be through the roof because he's an ogre warrior.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To reiterate my point, given the proc function given by Kanras in that post, every 83 increase in dex would only raise your proc rate by .5 which admittedly, is not terrible, but how many low levels can afford 83 dex. You're asking him to raise his dex by a FEW dozen AT BEST. And that is just not going to be noticeable in the long term.

Actually your point earlier was that dex isn't noticable in the short term. Which was more or less true. But now you're wrong, because even 1 measley point of dex is noticable in the long term.

You need to stop talking about these breakpoint-ish numbers, because they don't mean anything. So what if 83 dex is a large number and it gives a "not terrible" .5 ppm increase? The OP doesn't need to gain 83 dex in order to see a boost in his ppm. And just because dex and procs are a random thing doesn't mean that they should be ignored, or put on a low priority, when your entire class is based around keeping aggro with these mechanics.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is an example of why dex is stupid;
Lets say he raises his dex to 100, from 72, at the cost of many of his str and ac items.
In a fight he will proc approximately 1.125 (each 83 being .5 more) versus the .9 proc he would have normally have.

That means in an average of EIGHT MINUTES he will proc NINE TIMES VERSUS SEVEN TIMES

Do you think this is going to help his aggro on mobs? Yes he might proc 30 times a fight, but he might also never proc until group kicks him for having dex instead of BEING ABLE TO TANK-----

This is a flawed argument from the start, because I already showed that the OP would not be gutting his hp, ac, and/or str in order to gain dex.

Quit ranting about how dex and procs are random. We know. That's how warriors are built! Do you think any warrior who is worth anything on this server is out there rocking 70 unbuffed dex just because he is annoyed at how procs work?

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are completely attributing too much to the benefits of dex, and you are stripping away the point of warriors-to mitigate damage.

The point of warriors is to TANK. Tanking involves two things, basically. ONE of those is soaking up hits without dying. But that thing isn't even possible if the warrior doesn't have aggro in the first place, and warriors are built to keep aggro via procs, especially at the levels the OP is now attaining and especially when the warrior in question isn't twinked to the point that he is keeping aggro with DPS alone.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR stop using memes "herptydurp" and stop being an idiot dex pusher.

Allow me to quote you, mocking me: "Don't listen to that guy OP, I heard dex was the best 100 dex gives you 5000 more procs per second huehuehuehue"

And then I told you to take your hertpydurp elsewhere.

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: Do you even warrior

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What level is your warrior, Aim? Wanna come try to tank for my rogue with your strength-capped, monster AC, monster HP warrior who uses two wurmies to try to tank in HS/seb? I'll give you the straight facts on whether you tank better than every other warrior I've grouped with since 50. Ya know, all those other ogres who wear dex gear and are swinging ykesha weps and sarnak warhammers and silken whips and all.