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Old 08-25-2012, 02:44 PM
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Btw, I agree this is going to be a fun one.

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This is going to be a fun one!



We already covered this. Every SMALL stat increase gives a SMALL benefit. But that doesn't make doing a little bit of the right thing bad. And dex for warriors is the right thing, especially now that the OP is well beyond the point of clubbing orcs in oasis.


Dex for warriors are rarely the right thing. Beyond clubbing orcs means nothing, what are you even trying to say? Dex gives a small benefit which in relation to more important stats such as ac str and hp, is not worth the cost.


Yes, there are other stats that are important to a warrior than dex. But there isn't much point having great ac and hp if you aren't going to be keeping aggro. And really, OP shouldn't be concerned with hp at all right now. He's an ogre already, so he'll have a boatload of hp without even trying to get any more hp or stam gear. He isn't going to be getting CHed all that often yet, probably. And I didn't really ask him to sacrifice much ac OR hp to pick up the dex items I suggested.

Few points. If he is losing aggro at this level, it will be to twinks, and twinks tank harder at early levels 70% of the time, unless they have no armor and only one decent weapon. If he loses aggro, he shouldn't be tanking. If he has aggro, it is because he is partying with people with his gear level or lower, and thus he should be doing his job; mitigation. Not trying to steal the aggro from a twinked monk or rogue, and basically be taking massively more damage, thus actually NEGATIVELY HELPING THE TEAM.

The helm? He'll lose several AC and 2 strength to gain 9 dex.
The cloak? If he is wearing werewolf skin cloak, he'll be gaining several AC and a whopping 13 dex while losing 3 str and 3 stam.
The face? Loses a couple ac and a few str to gain several dex.
The rings? He loses several AC and 110 hp to gain 10 str and 10 dex.

Multiple items here are very expensive (mostly the cloak that costs 1.5-2.5k) and some of your suggestions are just so bad it makes me cry. Really? You want him to replace some of the most core tank rings in game? Wat.

He's giving up things that he already has a TON of (hp and stam) and only a few AC in order to gain a few str and a bunch of dex.


More of a good thing isn't bad, that's like saying "OMG Rogue you do too much dmg, just replace your offhand with a fire beetle eye for looks u nub". Tanks are for tanking. They need hp and ac. Stop.


What does this have to do with this thread?

If what I recalled was correct, that means 1hs proc even less, thus dex even less necessary etc~ but you are too feeble minded to understand so ignore it.



Again. 40 ogre warrior needs to be much more concerned with keeping aggro than with having 200 extra hp on his gear. His strength is already great. His AC? Yeah, it's very important. But it is less important than being able to keep aggro, and I can't help that warriors keep aggro via procs. And in just a few levels, when he ends up grouped with 49+ shamans on a pretty regular basis, his strength and stam are both going to be buffed up to 220+ even if he has a bunch of gear focused on improving his dex, which will NOT be anywhere near max even with buffs even with a lot of easily-buyable dex gear. Meanwhile, his AC will be passable and his HP will still be through the roof because he's an ogre warrior.

Copy pasted for your benefit. Few points. If he is losing aggro at this level, it will be to twinks, and twinks tank harder at early levels 70% of the time, unless they have no armor and only one decent weapon. If he loses aggro, he shouldn't be tanking. If he has aggro, it is because he is partying with people with his gear level or lower, and thus he should be doing his job; mitigation. Not trying to steal the aggro from a twinked monk or rogue, and basically be taking massively more damage, thus actually NEGATIVELY HELPING THE TEAM.


Actually your point earlier was that dex isn't noticable in the short term. Which was more or less true. But now you're wrong, because even 1 measley point of dex is noticable in the long term.

You need to stop talking about these breakpoint-ish numbers, because they don't mean anything. So what if 83 dex is a large number and it gives a "not terrible" .5 ppm increase? The OP doesn't need to gain 83 dex in order to see a boost in his ppm. And just because dex and procs are a random thing doesn't mean that they should be ignored, or put on a low priority, when your entire class is based around keeping aggro with these mechanics.


Procs help sustain aggro especially in higher levels, but it is not our main form of aggro generation. Warriors have one of the highest dps in game (in terms of auto attack/melee) which is our aggro generation. We also have taunt to auto jump onto top of aggro list. Procs are the cherry on top (admittedly very important in some situations) but they are not the only thing that allows us to hold aggro. Look at it this way; if he holds aggro with all this dex gear, he will just be taking ridiculous amounts of damage and then be a bad tank anyways. Comprende?


This is a flawed argument from the start, because I already showed that the OP would not be gutting his hp, ac, and/or str in order to gain dex.

Quit ranting about how dex and procs are random. We know. That's how warriors are built! Do you think any warrior who is worth anything on this server is out there rocking 70 unbuffed dex just because he is annoyed at how procs work?

Never said that. Most high tier warriors are buffed dex/str come raids, as well as high resists. And yes, they have proccing weapons. Does this mean they throw away ac/hp or RESISTS? Nope.



The point of warriors is to TANK. Tanking involves two things, basically. ONE of those is soaking up hits without dying. But that thing isn't even possible if the warrior doesn't have aggro in the first place, and warriors are built to keep aggro via procs, especially at the levels the OP is now attaining and especially when the warrior in question isn't twinked to the point that he is keeping aggro with DPS alone.

I'd copy paste again but I'm sure you understand.


Allow me to quote you, mocking me: "Don't listen to that guy OP, I heard dex was the best 100 dex gives you 5000 more procs per second huehuehuehue"

And then I told you to take your hertpydurp elsewhere.




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What level is your warrior, Aim? Wanna come try to tank for my rogue with your strength-capped, monster AC, monster HP warrior who uses two wurmies to try to tank in HS/seb? I'll give you the straight facts on whether you tank better than every other warrior I've grouped with since 50. Ya know, all those other ogres who wear dex gear and are swinging ykesha weps and sarnak warhammers and silken whips and all.
U r teh dum pls shh.
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