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Originally Posted by Sirken
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i've been reading many, many pvp threads. and quite honestly, they are pathetic. most people (not all) like to blame the staff yet fail to realize that they are their own biggest enemies, and their own biggest roadblocks (ie: wanting a bigger pop, then griefing players off the server). however, if u really want to continue to blame the staff, i'll gladly make Rogean apologize for providing the most legit EQpvp server that has ever graced the EQEmu project.
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Im glad devs made the effort to make this server happen.
With that out of the way, you cant blame the players for griefing people off the server.
Thats like giving someone whos not quite all there in the head a big shiny knife and saying "but dont hurt anyone with it, ok?"
Its partly some people's fault but it didnt help that you gave em the tools to grief.
Server should have been no xp loss and item loot. Yeah it would have been painful a bit until people wrap their heads around the concept of being naked, but would have been like rallos.
Lots of casters, and melees the ones that can roll with a crew. Coulda done some events where no drop gear dropped, like what happened on Rallos. These events in turn would have created organic pvp content that didnt require rigid awkward blubie duel stuff like amelinda did as people would have fought over event mobs.
By trying to customize with xp loss, they created a load of other problems (the xp loss griefing, a pvp server where people dont pvp... much, the people who will never ever lose their gear edge, unkillable low lvl twinks that even if u get 4 noobs together and kill em 4v1 they dont lose gear, people owning raid zones for months unchallenged, casuals getting xplosslulz zerged off the server by gank squads when server launched, no economy for low lvl gear, not being able to have strictly pvp low lvl alt twinks unless you wanna keep grinding PVE for multiple alts)
Not going to bother with a detailed xp loss rant since I havent seen a dev come to the forum and explain the rationale behind it beside "we dont want counterstrike EQ" and bother giving any sort of feedback to people on my side of the argument. (We really do need a "this will never happen, this might happen" stickied somewhere)
Problem is they dont play the box, lacking perspective of putting the time in and understand why it is people do not pvp and didnt analyze the feedback some players like me gave em on a silver platter. I know i can be ranty sometimes but i do provide feedback and its the server's loss if you cant take the feedback because people said it in a pissy way. Your job as a pro should be to get the feedback even if its done in a ranty way, though it wouldnt hurt to be able to give level headed pro feedback either.
Problem is they designed the box for PVEers first in mind (pvp xp loss poopsock camp control mechanic) with regular, often occuring pvp an afterthought.
Problem is they got trolled by Zerg PVEers and Griefers into thinking this was a good direction for a pvp server