[Taluvill]

To say the least, <3 you wrei. No hard feelings, please. Was sorta a tad of a bad night for me and I somewhat funneled my anger through you. I do that some times. But lets get back to the bitching, shall we? <3

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly did not "embellish" as much as you think on the series of events. Perhaps some stuff needs clarification but they are all fairly accurate in general. This was all for harmless fun any how seeing how serious this thread was getting.

Lol completely agree. This thread is getting bad and everyone is taking headshots at each other.

I never implied that the inner core of Trans was bad. I just said you guys had a looser recruitment policy. If you want to be specific comparing both guilds we had less weaker links going beyond your crew of 10 (both guilds at their prime). So it's not about your choice of 10 guys but rather your whole guild as a group. I'm not talking "playtime", but rather in game knowledge and applying it. Not sure what your bringing up the whole playtime argument for... how's that relevant to the skilled player base+recruitment thing. The live in mom / unemployed thing is just sarcasm honestly. From what I recall most of us have RL jobs (just as most trans members do). The only thing we're guilty of is putting a greater priority playing this game (even after 10+years) over average Joe.

What it had seemed like you were implieing, was that we lost the battle and trans went casual because they had a no skill playerbase. That much was clear. So i took it like that. Sorry if you pushed it on the recruitment side of things, but yeah. and the Playtime gig comes from the fact that with a variance in place, the members, core or not, (im an exception btw) couldn't wake up to kill shit at 4am. We literally would sit in vent and had a cutoff time where we would stop tracking because although we knew we wanted to (or I would stop tracking... Yeah. Wasn't a "we" thing.) or could, The fact was that if we batphoned at that time, people would just be pissy the next morning.

So we're to believe that you guys getting beat to a boss had nothing to do with it? Wasn't Tibador a GM at the time (yes just like Xzerion), your telling me that NOBODY from Trans whined/petitioned/emailed/chatted on vent or irc to the GMs about getting your ass kicked? Wenai just randomly came in and randomly decided hey let's share the bosses? My memory is sketchy now but as I recall wasn't that whole rotation concocted by allizia and another gm i can't remember in your vent? My point is it's not really about who came up with the rotation (when I really think it was trans) but rather about the fact that you guys must have complained to the GM's for them to get involved to begin with.

Tib was the only GM in the place at that point... unless you count tantalar. *cough* ...... Yeah, joke. haha.

Unless tib or allizia did it behind the scenes, None of us knew about it, and neither did you sitting in ib's chair. No you didnt beat us to the spawn, we sat in king room for like 10 hours or so.

Yes at last we agree on something!!

Yeah man!

You are correct on a technical level, but GC was used as an example of upcoming raiding guilds just like remedy. It was bad enough to share with 1 guild then Div popping = 3 way share... Once it was clear more guilds would be popping up (starting with GC) that's when the whole rotation was getting silly( Naggy once a month yay ).

Now that I'm looking back with a clear head, yeah. GC stirred stuff up in the forums that led to the eventual downfall of the rotation, and divinity stepping up to steal a naggy was just the breaking point really.

Not sure what you were trying to refute here. Or were you agreeing! The pun was rather one of my weaker jokes, you'll have to forgive me it was 5am.

Forgot to edit it out. whoops. wall of text... cant... yeah.

I don't feel like digging up pages of quotes but seriously that whole sentence is true (my sentence). There was plenty of smack talk comparing dick size between both guilds. Once it was established which was the more dominant guild, the focus then shifted towards how being the top guild here is like winning the special olympics (and not just Supreme) into trying to get server sympathy by saying how we're the greedy basterds (for not sharing with every random joe on the server).

Yeah. I was part of the dick comparing festivities. bit ashamed of that, but whatev. I try and keep my nose out of the forums now... (thanks bayer/stanley btw.) But yeah. Supreme, at that point in time, had the worst of it of anyone in our guild at least.

There were more then a few trolls from both guilds but I didn't name names! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

= D

I know sarcasm is the lowest form of comedy but seriously did you really believe I was a slob living in my mom's basement? Sorry to disappoint, but I think we all got jobs and responsibilities for the most part (yes even myself what a shocker). You make it sound like Trans was the only guild that had members who had shit to do in RL but still somehow managed to raid.... That's funny.

I was playing off the comedy. And I think it's (sadly) more that they did all this shit 10 years ago and were like "Fuck it. I raided fear to gear up 100 ppl on live, now I'm going to raid fear to gear up 50 people on an emu server to relive the bullshit? No thanks." Except in a much nicer way.

Umm.. kinda confused by that. To me mobilizing goes something like this:

1. Tracker tracks! (Best part of playing EQ!) I'm kidding
2. Big red Boss on track zomg! Send out message
3. Raid force logs on goes to X zone trying to beat other competing guild.
4. Gank boss.

So how is that not genuine mobilization? Even if early variance was bugged and the bosses popped more or less at the same time (I can't even remember). Do you think we all slept through? No I assure you, our trackers were busy then just as they are now. You would know when Maestro died if you had a rotation of trackers.. but then everyone of you lead such busy lives that you possibly couldn't do that.

Setting up 1 tracker rotation = ZOMG THIS IS A GAME DUDE we got shit to do in RL!!.

Setting up a whole raid force sitting in Nag's room waiting for the dragon to pop for 14+ hours = Acceptable because we get a guaranteed dragon!!

At least be consistent, if your too busy to raid how the fuck do you have a whole raid force camping for that long? You guys showed the way for future generation on how to go full retard right then and there.

Well, a few points. You think you had trackers there, or at least you know you did. Which you did. Trackers were there, not disputing that, but I personally think that probably about 1/3 of the way into the variance, after hate opened, that the trackers were just a scapegoat to make everyone think you guys were tracking, when in reality you all knew when shit would pop.

It got to the point where we just raided the best possible spot, and if you guys showed up, we batphoned. Yeah, fuckin dumb, huh? But it usually worked. We got to at least see, if not compete for, a few mobs that way.

Why the anger? Geez I thought we were friends... I said for the most part, we do have less though (even in our zerg form).

Most i've seen for a boss fight in DA is 55, and i've seen more or less 50 at different times in the server's life cycles. I think the fact that everyone calls each other zergs is really hilarious haha. Because everyone is so fucking hypocritical on almost everything they say, from both guilds.

It would have nothing to do with DA having a massive guild roster right? Are you saying that Nizzarr would have made that post if DA was dominating the content through camping? Seriously? Can DA keep up camping indefinitely? I doubt it, and if you can't then what do you do? You first play the victim card (anyone who points out that your guild is the problem by camping = trolling), then you go on to get some sympathy votes from Div/Rem by telling them you are out there to look out for their interest (when in reality DA admitted they will keep on camping because it suits DA).

Well, you can put that either way. Can IB keep camping forever? And i dont think its a victim card. I think its more a "fuck. this is getting to be a pita, lets see if we can figure out a way to work this out." And believe me, I know many of your members that are SICK of camping shit. Im sure they are. So it goes both ways tbh.

What i think has happened, is Nizz is trying to get the situation worked out, but Ayen steps up in here and basically brings up the point that if this isn't going to change (which i can tell you from this thread that it's not) then We are fine with camping. Its how we got/get mobs and thats cool. ATM, it's how you get mobs too, so unless we can stop dickwaving at each other as we drive past one another's house, its going to stay camping shit.

Hah. TBH, i cant wait for cleric epic camps. = D

Finally something we totally agree on, and yes I like the potential of that thread.

Make it, and call it Tal&Wrei's badass idea thread! and put his idea in there and lets make it up for discussion. Do it in server chat. andnndndndndnd....

yeah.


Oh. Give him credit for the idea too.