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Originally Posted by vaylorie
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A couple things to start. 1) I'm not talking about the big bang in any way, rather the origination of matter that would be required to substantiate a big bang. 2) I'm not making an argument towards a Christian worldview in any way.
You're making a number of stereotypical assumptions under the guise that an argument questioning if matter could have been created is an abomination to all 'life sciences'. Relax and try to embrace independent thoughtful discussion as opposed to insult.
I do find it humorous that in posts such as yours there is a blatant acknowledgement of nearly complete ignorance about the working of the universe accompanied by a direct assertion that it is certainly not what is described by any religion.
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So your original post was not at all implying that you think there could be a creator? Or were you just playing devil's advocate because it was fun? All you did was put words into the dude's mouth. If you want to have a discussion, then have a discussion, but don't come at me as if you posted something other than some hypothetical "conversation."
Stating that we do not have an answer how the big bang came to be is not an "acknowledgement of ignorance about the working universe." That is just the fact of the matter. Let me give you an easy example of what I meant:
We didn't at first think, "Ok there was a big bang, how can we prove it?"
We first observed that the universe is expanding, and then made our conclusions that at a certain point in time, the universe must have been dense.
There are many models and experiments to suggest this. There are even roadblocks in certain concepts because recently, it was discovered that the expansion of the universe may actually be speeding up, unlike previously though - so the universe is ever changing which is why I cannot give you definitive answers (even if I had the knowledge of Stephen Hawking).
You were asking an impossible question about the origin of the Big bang, because there currently is no answer (which would then possibly lead into the trap of, "well then it COULD be a creator") but that doesn't really work because, what I was saying, in somewhat of a comical attempt, was that the way the universe was viewed in ancient religious texts, as well as contemporary ones, is not parallel with how humanity views the world and the universe. The way our world and universe function is a lot more agreeable with what life and physical sciences teach us with our current evidence.
It can easily be said that there can be an alternate plane where some spiritual beings exist, but the answer to that is only peoples' faiths.