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Originally Posted by theguyy
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To me this is disgraceful and greed of this magnitude doesn't belong in classic EQ.
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I get the feeling that if it didn't affect your loot, you wouldn't care what kind of system the group used. That's not intended as an insult or a dismissal, but that kind of outrage over a looting system has always struck me as suspicious.
It's better for a server to always be NBG than having someone swap between NBG and 'greed' groups and getting shafted in the process, true. It's more fun for someone to be able to earn and loot their own equipment than having to trade for it. This does not make people that insist on 'greed' rolls somehow less virtuous than those that demand loot rights for the items they can equip.
NBG assumes that:
a) the person needing it
actually needs it as an upgrade as opposed to simply being able to use it
b) the person needing it won't sell it when a superior upgrade is obtained.
c) the person needing it will get more use out of the item than another group member will get use out of a different item obtained through trade.
A warrior with a obsidian shards that 'needs' a yak is just as greedy as the shadowknight using a brutechopper that wants to roll on a yak so he can trade it for a dark reaver or mithril two hander. Assessing need strictly on a can-equip basis is not a perfect system, and the hate for people that dare to use a different system is spawned by the very greed that is being attacked.
A particular situation that exacerbates the problems with NBG systems comes into play with Kunark and Velious where casters see several spells that can only be accessed through defeating raid targets while seeing predominately melee-oriented loot drops in groups. While this is certainly arguable, it is much easier for a melee to substitute group gear for raid gear than it is a caster to substitute for raid gear and raid spells, and NBG rolls ignore that problem because the wizard can't use the jaundiced bone bracer or whatever.
I've turned down loot rights based on NBG because it wasn't enough of an upgrade and I would have sold it rather than use it (and lost the roll). I've won greed rolls and let someone else in the group loot it because that person 'needed' it. If that makes me a greedy person because I used 'greed' rolls in those instances where I didn't want to equip something, then I have a few choice expletives I'd like you to hear.