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Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both guilds were asked to respect each other if they were there first. Both guilds were asked not to engage if the other guild was there first. Both guilds followed these instructions up until a point.

Granted.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server rules were written a long time ago. They were on the original forums in the News section. Basically that entire forum was deleted some how (no idea how, I had no control over this) and they never got migrated to the new forums. All we had was an older rough draft of the rules which actually to be honest, I wrote the majority of the rules which were then passed on to and approved by Nilbog.

Regarding raid encounters, I have not been made aware either through my own research or the company of my peers of any guidance previous to the enforced rotation of vox and nagafen. Maybe this is my failure, but I consider myself a fairly thorough person, and if I missed it, many others may have as well.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I had bothered to talk to you guys? I tried to talk to Otto on a few occasions, never really got anywhere. I know Aeolwind had tried to talk to Otto as well and also got no where. Talking to 20+ people at one time is really not efficient nor effective. It is up to your leader to go into discussions with myself or another member of the team and speak for your guild as a whole. Otto has talked to many of us on the team. It seems that your guild's opinion is that you are not happy with anything.

I think this is unfair. Unless Otto has been less than truthful, the times he has been contacted have been more about informing him as opposed to seeking input. Otto can you speak to this? Other GM's?

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even going to address this as it is really not relevant at all. If you feel that you need to attack me personally then so be it, but not relevant to this thread whatsoever.

I apologize for the enthusiasm with which I responded to that comment, and you're right it does resemble a personal attack and I am wrong for that. That being said, I do think it is relevant to the topic because I am directly replying to your accusation against our ethics.

Our ethics are fucking unquestionable dude.

Reiker is the example brought up over and over but we almost didn't take him over that MQ shit. The guy did some stupid shit a long time ago when he was an officer in <Fine Steel Long Swords>, which was a different organization with different goals and different leadership. We gave him a chance, with the express knowledge that if such an incident happened in the future there would be a guild ban with no questions asked. If you don't have more evidence than that please stop beating that drum once and for all, it's getting to be like we're a married couple bringing shit up from 10 years ago.

People also talk about rogues using poisons.. All rogues used poisons up to a certain point. It was accepted. I talked with several GM's about it. They all seemed fine with it, and I was never told to post about it being bugged. Several GM's beisdes Xzerion have GLADLY benefitted in groups with their play-characters while I was using poisons. The very instant Xzerion said that the word came down that they were not to be used by anyone else, I as well as all IB rogues stopped using poison. Period. End of discussion. ..and we continued to not use them as per GM orders. This is more than I can say for some rogues in other organizations.

So yeah, excuse me for the tone of my voice, that was wrong, but do not dismiss the content of my words please, you questioned our ethics. I may tend to get heated when people question my ethics, and I apologize, but let me be absolutely clear:

We are an honorable organization that seeks to play this game by the rules as set out for us by the original intent of the developers of everquest as merged in philosophy with the GM team led by Nilbog. If we do something and you don't like it, give us options or tell us to stop. We will. We may fight like raptors to find some workaround, but we will stay within the lines when we color. Please stop trashing ethics without evidence. It's libel and we don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys did respect myself and your fellow players up to a point. It got to a point where it was apparent that your group was not willing to follow directions anymore and wanted to write your own rules basically. Dragged ass on giving you server rules? I am not really following what you are talking about. The rules were posted during the beta for weeks, and then they were posted on these forums.

Your directions were allowing trans sick advantage and everyone knows it. This is the ugly elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring. You gave them power, without any agreement from us, to camp dragons for 14 hours. It's the end of the world, and Kutles is going to gate.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have said time and time again that you guys never KS'd. The issue was that you were threatening to. You can call foul and say that it isn't KSing and it isn't camp stealing or whatever. Fact of the matter is that you were going outside the realm of what this server is about. That is not conduct we condone nor allow. We stepped in and stopped you from even having a chance to do that.

We were under no circumstances threatening to KS. We were intending on engaging the mob first as per our understanding of the rules of engagement on this server. Do we really need to argue out the semantics of KSing or can you concede that this was a solid premise to operate under given the lack of other guidance? If they were there doing the same thing, that is fine, but if the group that engaged first is not the group that got the kill, then a KS would have involuntarily occurred and it would require GM intervention to sort it. Yes we were trying to force your hand, but we knew that trans was about to start doing exactly what they proceeded to do and camp mobs for insane amounts of time because they recruit any scrub in ec tunnel without a tag (no offense to the good members of trans, but you know damn well what I'm talking about).

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My buddies? Lol. Do you realize that I have been duoing/soloing ONLY for the past month and a half or more? I have one person on the server that I am in contact with regularly. I really have no ties and for the time being that is how it has to be.

Ok, maybe buddies was off target, but you can't tell me that you really don't see how biased this whole "system" is.

I generally hate entitled people, but we did kick ass in this server to be first with the gods and the dragons, and we really did get the rug pulled out from under our feet. We were raid ready and stuck farming rubi for weeks while the rest of the server caught up to dragon and possibly planes ready. For a new guild to just demand equal treatment right away when we were stripped of the rights at our first shot is demoralizing frankly. I think a little acknowledgment is due here. Look the fact is that while many of our guild are clamoring for pvp or whatever, a lot of us really don't mind sharing, but let's get real. We're the lion, trans is the hyena. Yeah, a pack of hyenas can kill a lion, but there is only one king of the jungle.

We have dominated every shred of content presented to us in a matter of fact way that speaks of skill. We've worked with every extra limitation you've placed on us and followed the rules. We've gone the extra mile in many cases and shown respect where no respect has been shown.

We've seen trans flounder even while exploiting and zerg every moderate success they can lay claim to. We've seen them endlessly troll, whine, beg, snivel, enter contortions of self-loathing, and generally squeak a lot over a long period of time. We've seen a few members of Trans show remarkable patience with the rest of their guild, seriously we don't understand how you guys put up with it.

The point is that you're showing favoritism to them by treating them fairly. They don't deserve it. They have lied, cheated, and stole their way to #2, and they will be #3 very quickly when Divinity spreads it's wings. They deserve suspensions or even bans in my opinion, although I hesitate at the brink of telling you how to do your job. Although we have butted heads, we deserve your respect Wenai, we have earned it, and you know it, which is the infuriating thing.

I had a lot more to say to the rest of your posts, but I think that last paragraph about does it for me today. I hope something comes of this.