[Dalven]

So finally up to date with the TV series. Long post bringing up weeks old topics inc.

Originally Posted by Sirken

did u catch that Tywin was also poisoned by Oberyn before Tyrion gutshot him with a crossbow?

Oh yes - what a bad ass. Can't say I feel sorry for Tywin's undignified end despite how awesome he is in the show. Enjoyed the interactions between him and Joffrey. Looking forward to the Red Viper making an appearance, although that probably won't be until season 4

Stuff about Shae

As Sirken said its essential to Tyrion's development that he kills her. Whether we get any hints prior to Tyrion catching her with Tywin I don't know, but it will certainly change the perspective we've been given off her in the show where she seems almost in love with Tyrion. Will maybe illustrate the effect of her being a whore and the jealousy about Sansa is sheerly a result of a threat to her way of life.

Originally Posted by Sirken

when jamie first lost that hand in the book, i was so happy, cause fuck him. but then by the end of book 5, i really like Jaime a lot. so when i see him lose his hand, its weird because in my head i already forgave him. essentially i was happy he lost it in the book, but sad for him to lose it in the show? nevermind.

as far as Jaime and Lady Stone Heart, you gonna be waiting a long time... we needs that sixth book, fawk.

Yeah one Jaime chapter in ADWD was just a pure tease. I don't think it will be as simple as Brienne turning him in, although I look forward to seeing more of Lady Stoneheart and how dark the BWB have become.

Originally Posted by Sirken

i think the next time he sees Dany, he will be humbled, and beg forgiveness. and because of Dany's feelings for slaves and slavery, she will take pity on him and grant him mercy. but i think he will server under Barriston. i can not see Jorah ever being her #1 again after his betrayal.

Yeah, Jorah has been through some tough times since being banished - I'd like to see him get back on side with Dany but the dude definitely needed a humbling.

Originally Posted by Sirken

Fun side note - i think either Brienne is a descendant of Sir Duncan the Tall.

Definitely - when she gets that shield painted with the tree and falling star because it reminded her of one she saw on Tarth that sealed it for me. Add in the stuff about behaving like a knight but not actually being one (Duncan is most likely a fraud) and there are some nice parallels.

Originally Posted by Sirken

he might even be related to Hodor (as we only know his grandmother is old nan, we dunno his parents).

For sure this is true - next Dunc and Egg is set in the north. Would bet good hard cash he gets fired into Old (Young?) Nan during that time.

Originally Posted by Sirken

yep. and his plans for her are to kill Robin Arryn and then marry Sansa to Harrold Hardyng (Harry the Heir). because that would unite Stark and Arryn bloodlines, Winterfell and the Vale loyalty, and LF plans on ruling all of it. but i 100% agree that Sansa will be his undoing

Sansa is reaching the low point of her arc in the show - her dreams of marrying a king/tall handsome knight have been totally inverted and the final nail in the coffin to her fairytale outlook of the world (which resurged a bit with the Tyrell marriage plans). By the end of AFFC you can definitely see her awakening and I'm fairly certain she knows Littlefinger is setting Robert Arryn up for a death by sweetmilk. Hopefully she'll get Littlefinger put down with some elaborate scheme or use his lust against him.

Originally Posted by Sirken

i suspect we'll see Melisandre use her click stick in book 6. that bastard needs to be reborn amidst salt and smoke. at least hes free of the watch.

Yeah the resolution to that will be interesting. The Warg in the prologue of ADWD seems to set up the possibility for it. Personally I had been hoping that wouldn't be the means of resurrection - directly parallels the Farseer Trilogy by Robin Hobb (who I think is one of Martin's pals). Although I wonder who his Nissa Nissa will be. Arya?

Originally Posted by Sirken

i just think that from a writing point of view, theres a reason Jon was the 998th commander of the nights watch. more specifically, i think theres a reason we are so close to 1000. i think there will be a short lived interim Lord Commander that will take over after Jon, but will ultimately not last (for whatever reason), and then will be followed by the 1000th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch (ie: Stannis imo)

Aye, 998 is a bit of an odd one. Would Stannis do it if Jon was revealed to be AA and a Targaryen to boot? Hard to imagine him bending from this course he has poured so much into. Mance as 1000th commander of the Nights Watch as an alternative point of view?

Lady Stoneheart is likely a being fuelled by vengeance due to the manner she died. I reckon that Beric is the way he is because he died defending the realm in King Robert's name and that is what his undead focus point was. All indications is that Stonehearts is hanging Freys and any others she feels have betrayed her. I don't see her having a positive influence on the rest of the story - just a sad afterlife for Catelyn.

All I have time for just now but likely more later!