I would also bring up the fact that a well timed stun to interrupt a gate/heal/ice comet makes a hell of a difference but they'll just come back and say something like "oh yea well the cleric in the group can do that". Everything a pally brings to a group is apparently disregarded because "another class can do it", but when you point out that another class does what SKs can do but better, they make excuses about how an SK is still somehow more valuable.
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