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Originally Posted by Samoht
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I'm not sure who told you that Vanquish does not compete for LTK, but I can guarantee you they were quite mistaken and that Vanquish has competed on almost every LTK on spawn for as long as the guild has been created except for situations where bag limits were in place or situations where Vanquish was actively killing other targets. There are 30 LTK raids logged on the Vanquish DKP site going back to the FRAG alliance.
But expecting Vanquish to give up other targets while you kill LTK is asinine. And it's not like Kittens would have been killing those targets, anyway. Kittens avoids competition because, let's face it, you are incapable of killing targets under pressure.
Then the fact that Riot chose LTK over the targets that Vanquish did kill would once again be Riot's choice. It's not the fault of Vanquish that Riot made a poor decision. And Vanquish is also not at fault if Kittens cannot kill LTK without help.
So cry more about one of the easiest CRs in the game. Cry more about the train where the trainer has already been suspended and the offending guild has already taken their punishment.
You're not getting more than that.
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Back at the time this incident occurred Fr/Ag didn't kill LTK very often. Especially on quakes as you all had much higher priority targets to go after. Your attitude about whether or not to help a guild one of your members just wiped will tell you all you need to know about why tensions are so high all the time. No accountability, no class, highly questionable morals.
It was more important for Fr/Ag to continue on to kill Zlandicar, Klandicar, and eventually Tunare (I forget if there was a 4th target in there as well), than it was to do the right thing and at the very least help CR a guild one of your members just wiped mid kill. You would've lost 1 or 2 targets possibly, during a single cycle. The cost to you would've been almost meaningless and the good will it would've fostered could've literally changed the entire outlook of the server.
Lets play out the scenario of what happens if you all stop and help Kittens CR. So you come and help rez everyone and since you're right there and not in the middle of clearing growth it goes much faster. Lets say you help kill the dragon, maybe not your entire raid force but lets just say 20 people, or something like that. Maybe you miss out on a mob or 2 but now the divide that had started to form between Kittens and AG begins to mend. Maybe a bunch of kittens have their opinions turned around about Freedom being a bunch of assholes. Kittens doesn't petition, Incubo doesn't eat a (2?) week ban, and Fr/Ag doesn't have to concede LTK x2. You all come off looking like fucking kings that just went out of your way to fix something one of your members did. Maybe the Kriot alliance never even happens.
Essentially your leadership chose short term pixel gain over the long term health of guild relations on the server, and this is a choice they make over and over and over and over. Cycle after cycle. To the point where you guys have been trained/impeded during the heat of competition, gone on to secure the kill of the mob, and still petition. It's happened at least a few times, but somehow Kriot are the only guilds that are angling for free mobs via petitions. Your guild wrote the fucking book on burning down guild relations for minor gains and now you're all so shocked at how it's coming back to bite you in the ass.
The truth of the matter is that Quish doesn't want competition. If they did they would act like it and try and foster a positive relationship between the guilds at the top. You were founded with the goal of destroying the top raiding guild and now you're reaping the toxicity that you've sown.