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Originally Posted by Crashking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can agree that a logfile is telling a story in general from one side as it comes from the person doing the recording and there are distance limits and such to what it records.


I can also tell you that video recording is just as bad, because it only shows what is on the screen in the view aspect of the player recording it. I can speak from experience here in saying First Person doesn't really provide a great view of what is going on and to stop and trying to adjust camera while trying to stay alive isn't always possible.


The logging data captured by having game logs running can provide a far clearer picture and can be verified there by the server side data. I understand its a lot of work to deal with a petition and confirm a claim but sadly that's the job. I have some idea here to make things less stressful but since I can't get an audience with Rogean / Nilbog on issue of past, I don't see how I can present thing that should be discussed to make improvements.


I can't speak of the capability of OBS software there as I have yet to toy with it, but sure if you have and it does the buffering and such great. However, as was stated prior a short 5 or 10 min recording might not show a whole picture. Also, I stand by my statement of not getting a good idea of the situation because often we are fighting for our lives instead of trying to record proof of bad deeds.


I've stated this a number of times.. I'm more than willing to give a full days break down from my game log or even the entire things since i started playing to show that it isn't faked. and the excerpt portions pasted into a petition are indeed true and accurate.





While your example might provide case light to some examples. I can certainly provide you with specific counter examples that do indeed show what went on. As I have put forth exact petitions to the GMs with full game logging. As I stated before the idea of someone faking a log .. should be a completely ban-able offense if a player is caught. As with most things 2 sides to a story so yes, I'd recommend to any one else to have logging running so you can show the GM's your exact side. The comparison of both sets of logs by GM can easily show if one party has doctored something and in addition comparison to the actual server logs. I've never seen the server side stuff, but i suspect it is similar to the client side logging and has specific time stamping embedded into it.


Though the years playing here, I have been forced to learn how to be "EQ lawyer" such that I can defend myself verse any ones claims against me. The vagueness of the PnP in many areas may leave room for GM decisions, but at the same time, it allows a good amount of conflict to exist which brings forth the need to have a GM come step in. The largest problem I see is many don't know or haven't read the PnP or lack the full understanding of what is written there. In addition that can be compounded with those that have read / understand the PnP but don't care because they seem to think there is no punishment for breaking them, because the amount and burden of proof involved to report these violations falls on the victim of their actions. I can state fully that the amount of time I have put forth to submit petitions with full evidence has taken a number of hours, as I comb back though the client side logging to pull out relevant information, and provide my commentary of what was going on at that stage. The times at which I had video recording, it just compounded the time spent as I described previously. You have to use the tools you have at hand, until you can find & learn how to use better tools.


I found something new here the other day that is a number of month old and yet it weakens things allowing more people to become victims of those that don't follow the PnP.

Not a job

Originally Posted by Bigsham [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

didnt read that huge post, if you dont have evidence whats galach supposed to do?

answer: Nothing no proof

he probably has 1200 petitions from babies to deal with everytime he logs in.

Pretty much on the 1200 petitions part, galach works his ass off.


Here's the thing guys, we do this on a volunteer basis. The player base can help a little in submitting their case with as much detail as possible, but don't give us a novel. If you can't do that, it's probably not that important to you. If you paid a monthly fee and this was a paid gig for us, sure maybe you would be entitled to better service and faster petitions resolutions but we do what we can. Server side logs only show so much.

Guides only have access to a small portion of the logs and when they need more data they usually turn to me which takes up my time and other tasks get left behind such as verifying drop logs which I'm incredibly far behind on.

If you find yourself having issues with players again and again, this may not be the game for you. With all my time on blue I may have had to petition once or twice. That's it.