As good as it may feel to vent about this, it feels even better to beat these dudes at their own game, which I kind of feel like y'all should invest in doing. If you want the epic so bad, sit on hate trackers 2.5 to 3.5 days after a hate clear, let people know you're tracking, and make it happen. Pullers, porters, etc. Sure you'll lose half of the magis you batphone but it feels pretty damn good to step over a farmer/team and yoink a hate staff. If you don't have the infrastructure to make that happen them I'm sorry but you're in the wrong guild to get a mage epic.
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