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Originally Posted by azeth
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OP ask to be added to the list and who currently is on the list. After the current camp holder gets the AC, the player next in line needs to be at the camp for the following spawn.
The individual who is currently camping it has to provide you with all names on the list and if they don't, guess what? You're next
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As far as I can tell that's
mostly true: they don't actually have to give you the entire list, but they do have to give you who is next. Here's a quote from Derubael (emphasis added):
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Originally Posted by GM Derubael
Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:
Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:
1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt.
2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.
Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.
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As far as I can tell by the server rules, only "next" is enforced, not "who is next after?" If Bob has the camp, and Fred shows up and asks "who's next", Bob can say "Chris", and Fred can ask to be next. But as far as I can tell (by any published rules), Chris is under no obligation to give the camp to Fred; the only obligation is for Bob to give it to Chris.
Now, this still seems like a "slam dunk" case in elf law: if Bob told Fred he could be next after Chris, it would
seem like Chris needs to give it to Fred ...
but I can find no evidence in over a decade of posts in this forum!
Now let's complicate things further: Fred gets bored while waiting, binds at the island, and gates away. Chris gets his ring, but sees Dave there waiting patiently, and sees Fred is out of zone, so he gives the camp to Dave. As long as Chris never promised the camp to Fred, again, as far as I can tell ... Chris is under no obligation to give it to Fred. If he gives it to Dave, I'd honestly be a little surprised if he got in trouble.
... but of course, as with any of this elf law stuff, unless someone can produce a GM quote I haven't seen, we have no way of knowing what the rules are for certain. Someone would need to re-enact this scenario (preferably with OBS running to capture it all) and petition before we can ever actually know.
And
that is just one of the many, many benefits of "automated GMing" (/list): everyone (forum reader or not) knows exactly what the rules are.