Rogue Pickpocket Skill (Looking for definitive ruling)

fastboy21 · #1 05-02-2015, 11:15 AM

I almost didn't want to post this question because it has the ability to turn into a whole debate (that has been had before, I'm sure) over pickpocket skill for rogues.

Is the use of this ability ever a violation of GM policies? I'm not very interested in whether folks think it is wrong or not. I'm really just looking for a statement from a player who knows the rule from a past GM post (link would be good if you have it) or a statement from a guide.

Example, is it a punishable offense to pickpocket a mob that someone else is killing? is it a punishable offense to pickpocket without group mates consent?

These are obviously not good things to do, but i'm really just interested in the rules side of the action.

evilkorn · #2 05-02-2015, 11:55 AM

You can probably make a case for ninja looting if he's not in the group, but there is no proof that anything was picked other than the rogues screen. If he is in the group and didn't tell you he's picking, then he's a dick. If you see a failed message from the mob and tell him to stop then see it again, just boot him from the group.

webrunner5 · #3 05-02-2015, 12:11 PM

I really doubt it is against "GM Rules", just against common sense lol. Like has been said, looting someone in a group is sort of a no no unless they are Willing to Let You skill up on them. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has been nerfed like hell on here, so what is classic or not is anyone's guess. I know it was quite popular on Live in the day but I think hardly anyone uses it like that much on here?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cecily · #4 05-02-2015, 01:35 PM

It's harassment (petitionable) and being a jerk. Stealing from your group is just being a jerk. Not a big issue since Kanras absolutely destroyed the skill and overnerfed the ability. Hill giants can't be pickpocketed now along with all other "monster" type NPCs (non-animal, non-undead, non-summoned). Very broken.

Swish · #5 05-02-2015, 01:36 PM

If you're in a seb group and suddenly a beetle says "Stop thief! <Fastboy>" (they talk, right?), you're going to lose people's trust because there's gems that can drop.

I know that you can't pickpocket gems in Sebilis but I also know that not everyone knows that... so in order to keep the peace, keep your pickpocketing key for another day.

Alternatively, tell people you want to skill up your pickpocketing and see if they're cool with it. Best way not to have anyone want to replace you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tankdan · #6 05-02-2015, 01:39 PM

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If you're in a seb group and suddenly a beetle says "Stop thief! <Fastboy>" (they talk, right?), you're going to lose people's trust because there's gems that can drop.

A good rogue has doability 1, 2, and 3 in their evade macro, one of which is pickpocketing.

Swish · #7 05-02-2015, 01:47 PM

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A good rogue has doability 1, 2, and 3 in their evade macro, one of which is pickpocketing.

A good rogue doesn't pick from their groups, I'd argue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cecily · #8 05-02-2015, 01:50 PM

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A good rogue doesn't pick from their groups, I'd argue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd second that. With the group's consent it's fine though. You need to get your skill to 200, for epic, before KC / Seb, because people will have a problem with it then.

suppresso · #9 05-02-2015, 01:54 PM

It's a rogues deity given right to pickpocket everything it can.

That said, you may make yourself less then appealing to p[people for grouping if you do

fastboy21 · #10 05-02-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's harassment (petitionable) and being a jerk. Stealing from your group is just being a jerk. Not a big issue since Kanras absolutely destroyed the skill and overnerfed the ability. Hill giants can't be pickpocketed now along with all other "monster" type NPCs (non-animal, non-undead, non-summoned). Very broken.

This is the closest to an answer to my question I think, that pickpocketing someone else's mobs, possibly even your own groups' mobs if you don't have permission, would fall under harassment.

I agree with the sentiment that most folks are posting regarding whether or not it is against server policy is secondary to the universal policy of "don't be a jerk." However, for reasons which don't belong in a "server chat" thread, I wanted confirmation that such behavior is actually against the rules from folks who know them better than I.

regarding the gems in seb, there seems to be some contradiction in this thread and others on the forums that I found regarding whether or not gems can be pickpocketed from appropriate humanoid-flagged creatures. Can anyone confirm that frogloks are pp'able and that they can drop gems from pp?

thanks.