Knights: Decent or Garbage?

[Lune]

So I'm considering gearing out either my 54 ranger or my 20 iksar shadowknight to play this summer and to main in Velious. I love the playstyle of both classes. I find monks, rogues, and warriors to be boring, even though monks are just the all around best melee.

I was about 12 years old in 2000, and played a bit of Kunark and Luclin/PoP but somehow I missed Velious, so I don't remember much about the state of things in that expansion.

How are knights in Velious? Right now they kinda seem like crap thb. There isn't much reason to have a knight tank for you over a warrior, monk, or ranger. Sure, knights can manage agro, but they do barely any dps and mitigate only marginally better than a properly geared monk. The agro management of the other classes is more than sufficient given the dps they do, which is a tremendous asset both grouped and solo. They aren't great raid classes. Sk's have a few pulling tricks. What would be their role as trash tanks in raids is largely usurped by the widespread abuse of clicky mallets by soulless non-classic raiders.

Do you feel like knights are good tanks for a group (or will be in Velious), or would you prefer a monk or warrior? Are you enlightened enough to prefer a ranger? Can shadow knights solo anything that monks can't, using fear? Can SKs solo any cool mobs in Velious? What should I play? Which class is cuter?

[Daldaen]

The strength of any guild is determined by quality and use of their Knights.

Guilds who have solid and knowledgeable knights will crush those without.

For EXP grouping, Knights are best tanks hands down. Warriors and Monks blow at snap aggro.

[Jauna]

Paladins, from personal experience back on live will continue to be... meh. We get a neat +hp buff for casters but all melee, even other tanks will prefer the ranger atk buff. Sure we... they get more defenses, but no defense discs, no HoTs, no quick heals. Paladins will always be low tier in p99 for raiding. But for grouping, snappy agro, stuns for stunning and.. I dont even remember if they get group heals or not for velious.

paladins do not bloom until Luclin/PoP.

As for SKs, I cant remember if they get those group wide siphons/buffs or not during velious

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The strength of any guild is determined by quality and use of their Knights.

Guilds who have solid and knowledgeable knights will crush those without.

Can you or anyone else elaborate? I feel I've missed whatever this major usefulness is on raids, aside from SK pulling.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The strength of any guild is determined by quality and use of their Knights.

Guilds who have solid and knowledgeable knights will crush those without.

For EXP grouping, Knights are best tanks hands down. Warriors and Monks blow at snap aggro.

A L4/5 root helps such issues if they're especially struggling... thankfully in a good group you've got evading rogues, FD'ing monks, rangers that can root if they somehow get aggro.

After that you just need to watch those casters overnuking - the cleric should step up and say something (or root themselves) if there's too much overaggro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Roguejm11]

I was going to comment and try to be helpful, but after reading OT's full post. I decided I won't.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The strength of any guild is determined by quality and use of their Knights.

Guilds who have solid and knowledgeable knights will crush those without.

For EXP grouping, Knights are best tanks hands down. Warriors and Monks blow at snap aggro.

Nice troll, Daldaen!

P.S. I borrowed Snoogan once (60 paladin w/epic) in trio for HS South. Paladin is definitely a fun group class, but I'd say she felt about the same as Sakuragi in terms of effectiveness. And Raev blows them both away of course.

[Gatorsmash_da'troll]

Greenmist epic

[Ezalor]

paladins/SKs are vastly superior group tanks and can tank every single raid mob in kunark except for a couple