masked melon, nice try

[Wipe it Clean]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While a commendable troll, the gender argument is absurd. Men are male and women are female by definition. Males bear a Y chromosome and/or produce sperm cells by definition. Females bear two X chromosomes and/or produce eggs. Yes, there are interred people who do not fit nicely into one category or the other. However they, like everyone else have no choice in the matter.

Masculinity and femininity can be u maleness and femaleness are immutable and very narrowly defined. Yes, "gender" encompasses social and cultural roles, but those roles are little more than an extension of the natural propensities exhibited by each sex over the 160,000 year or so history of our species. Gender is also binary, again by definition as either male sex or female sex.

Do some people harbor a profound desire to be and be treated as a member of the opposite sex? Sure. Does that mean they are? No. Should others be compelled to join in the delusion? No, just as those with such inclinations should not be compelled to adhere to "social norms" so long as their behavior does not harm others.

I'll bite. This logic is flawed in that it's determined by other people.

Those who choose to assign gender to someone based on simple genetic terms do so out of personal choice. Others are equally free to use other means.

Science says males and females are basically differentiated by genetics and reproductive characteristics. But science also acknowledges hermaphrodism. Species that change sex naturally. And geneticly abnormal variants.

Basically leaving gender to be a sociological and philosophical individual choice no one person or group can theoretically enforce as strongly as a natural law for another so inclined to choose otherwise.

Your logic is in error.

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ps banning me doesn't change the truth.

the truth is you aren't in control

other people will always be free

stop using binary thinking that's so mcarthy

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's so mcarthy

But I like MCCarthy. IMO we neeeeed a MCCarthy. You see, MCCarthy just ran out of targets, but plenty of em now, lots of high profile targets for a MCCarthy. It could keep a MCCarthy busy for decades! Lifetimes! It would bring balance to the farce, too. Why do they get all the MCCarties and we don't? It's just their MCCarthies scream "racist" (hates the human race?) and "homophobe" (one who is afraid of humanity?) and "1%'ers" (while they burn down and loot small businesses?) and so much much more. These aren't the MCCarthies you're looking for *waves hand*

Notice I'm hitting the "reply" button... heh

[maerilith]

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But I like MCCarthy. IMO we neeeeed a MCCarthy. You see, MCCarthy just ran out of targets, but plenty of em now, lots of high profile targets for a MCCarthy. It could keep a MCCarthy busy for decades! Lifetimes! It would bring balance to the farce, too. Why do they get all the MCCarties and we don't? It's just their MCCarthies scream "racist" (hates the human race?) and "homophobe" (one who is afraid of humanity?) and "1%'ers" (while they burn down and loot small businesses?) and so much much more. These aren't the MCCarthies you're looking for *waves hand*

Notice I'm hitting the "reply" button... heh

But is the second C really capitalized? I realize I failed at spelling his name McCarthy properly,

but who knows maybe he was LGBT and just hated commies? Reference could be so bad.

And Since were going to bring up the LGBT

And now its LGBTQ

label

This is stupid

I hate being lumped in with LGBQ people because I don't sexually Identify as any of those. Fine for people that do.

But really, G people and T people have nothing in common except that some are either, but none correlate.

T people don't even have much in common, but, yet people who transition and people who don't transition are lumped in the same label.

Etc.

People just need to stop generalizing and start treating other people with respect and equanimity on an individual by individual case by case basis.

[Daywolf]

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But is the second C really capitalized? I realize I failed at spelling his name McCarthy properly

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[maerilith]

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[Pokesan]

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I see OP is biting off of my glorious gender thread in hopes of getting a thread of his own past 4 pages.


Would you like your cringes now, or should I mail them to you?

Freebooting is wrong, OP. Shame on you.

[maskedmelon]

Why did you change what I said? Accident or trying to emphasize a point?

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While a commendable troll, the gender argument is absurd. Men are male and women are female by definition. Males bear a Y chromosome and/or produce sperm cells by definition. Females bear two X chromosomes and/or produce eggs. Yes, there are interred people who do not fit nicely into one category or the other. However they, like everyone else have no choice in the matter.

Masculinity and femininity can be fluid, but maleness and femaleness are immutable and very narrowly defined. Yes, "gender" encompasses social and cultural roles, but those roles are little more than an extension of the natural propensities exhibited by each sex over the 160,000 year or so history of our species. Gender is also binary, again by definition as either male sex or female sex.

Do some people harbor a profound desire to be and be treated as a member of the opposite sex? Sure. Does that mean they are? No. Should others be compelled to join in the delusion? No, just as those with such inclinations should not be compelled to adhere to "social norms" so long as their behavior does not harm others.

On to what you said now:

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll bite. This logic is flawed in that it's determined by other people.

Such is language. Don't like a word? Make a new one.

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science says males and females are basically differentiated by genetics and reproductive characteristics. But science also acknowledges hermaphrodism. Species that change sex naturally. And geneticly abnormal variants.

Agreed, but if 'A' is defined as 'X' and 'B' is defined as 'Y', the existence of 'C' expressing some combination of qualities of 'X' and 'Y' does not invalidate the definitions of 'A' as 'X' and 'B' as 'Y'.

This is where you made a gigantic leap:

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically leaving gender to be a sociological and philosophical individual choice no one person or group can theoretically enforce as strongly as a natural law for another so inclined to choose otherwise.

No, see above. However, I'm all for coming up with new terms to allow people to more effectively communicate their preferences. I think Trans-woman is a useful term in that regard. It let's other people know "Hey, I am male, but want to be female. Please treat me accordingly." I don't think information like that should be broadcast like though (like religious/political bumper stickers). Most people treat others as they see them, based on their own preferences, not those of the recipient. For example, I generally prefer interactions with clean, pleasant or attractive people to those with unclean, unpleasant or unattractive people.

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your logic is in error.

My logic is pristine ^^

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ps banning me doesn't change the truth.

It changes everything

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the truth is you aren't in control

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Wipe it Clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

other people will always be free

Indeed. You are free to proclaim yourself whatever you so desire just as others are free to disagree. I fancy myself as a banana because they are pale, delicious and lethal.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did you change what I said? Accident or trying to emphasize a point?



On to what you said now:



Such is language. Don't like a word? Make a new one.



Agreed, but if 'A' is defined as 'X' and 'B' is defined as 'Y', the existence of 'C' expressing some combination of qualities of 'X' and 'Y' does not invalidate the definitions of 'A' as 'X' and 'B' as 'Y'.

This is where you made a gigantic leap:



No, see above. However, I'm all for coming up with new terms to allow people to more effectively communicate their preferences. I think Trans-woman is a useful term in that regard. It let's other people know "Hey, I am male, but want to be female. Please treat me accordingly." I don't think information like that should be broadcast like though (like religious/political bumper stickers). Most people treat others as they see them, based on their own preferences, not those of the recipient. For example, I generally prefer interactions with clean, pleasant or attractive people to those with unclean, unpleasant or unattractive people.



My logic is pristine ^^



It changes everything



Agreed.



Indeed. You are free to proclaim yourself whatever you so desire just as others are free to disagree. I fancy myself as a banana because they are pale, delicious and lethal.

OK but you base male or female on whether people haz or haz not a penile or a vagay

yet there's obvs exceptions 2 the rule

If u walk up to me and go, hey ma'am! r u violatin ur own logix? Cuz u obvs didn't check my pantz or take my bloodz without my consentz

I get it people will make, ASSUMPTIONS, based on X and Y, the problem is X and Y is a model and SCIENCE doesn't even say it's a concrete model, only that it's pretty simple to check a racoon and see if it has an inny and or an outy and that it may possibly make babies with the other kind of racoon

PEOPLE aren't even anywhere near racoons.

So pLZ don't check my pantz... Especially after I use the RR xD

And already if your TSA U should have probz got a memo that some F's have D's. And not to bother them if they R properly turned into Vagays and not making a public display of having a D

Which is why I lol and #rage at the confusion and bigotry I see people throwing around about people "Like" (but not copies) of me.

The only thing I can assume is you assume until u have otherwise verified based on what u can think, and those r ur constructs of what gender rly is. Because I know ur not checkin everyones pants to figure out pronouns in common interactions.




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Unless ur just like epicaly autistic and unique and use ONLY gender neutral pronouns or zero pronouns at all and never describe someone by gender unless u have already checked their pants or stolen their bloodz
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I doubt the above scenario.

I get where u seeing a girl with a D could be a deal breaker for u in the conceptulization department, but there are XX girl with D's and protoDs and FTM's with surgical D's, are they not then Dudez? by your definition, just because they break the XX rule? Or do you simply refuse to acknowledge their birth certificate/legal gender status? Or how they represent themselves all of a sudden?

Gender is also more or less just an archiac LEGAL construct, it's simply a way for people to define themselves, it use to be a way for people to define themselves in society.

Now it's just used inappropriately all the fscking time.

TLDR: I guess gender is more complicated then genes or anatomy in reality for any srs level of thought. And it's just simple to fit people into the binary when it's obvious.

[maerilith]

I don't eat banannas. Thank god.

[Pokesan]

eating a banana right now

literally chimping out