Fascists riot in Albuquerque

[Daywolf]

https://youtu.be/TzJNuxl467s
Best vid on it, of what few there are. Ain't no "protesters" though, just fascists rioting in the streets. People want to riot and shut down free speech? That's fascism. And they point fingers at others calling them fascists, while they themselves are the only ones practicing fascism.

I don't care what politician it is they do this to, Bernie, Hillary, Donald, even Red Ted, fascism is fascism. Waving foreign flags, burning the US flag, throwing bottles, rocks, fire bombs, smashing cars, spraying pepper spray, assaulting a peaceful political rally to disrupt it, is not protesting, it's fascist rioting.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by big [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what fascism is but am pretty sure is bad.

When I type fascism into my Android phone and press space, it recommends Nazism as the next word even though the phrase "fascism Nazism" makes no grammatical sense and would never be used. Usually the word recommend thingy only feeds you words that are the proper parts of speech to at least in theory form a sentence. Fascism must be really bad if we need to be reminded subliminally about the 6 million every time we type it

lol gotta love the jewish coders in silicon valley.

[Daywolf]

Like this:

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Which conflicts with:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Peaceably assemble, consider the Civil rights marches, King wasn't out there throwing fire bombs at police. But all this waving foreign flags, burning the US flag, riots in the street, disrupting peaceful rallies, that falls under the definition of fascism by it's very tactics.

[Sidelle]

It'ss so sweet of these protesters to help Trump's campaign in this way. They're doing an excellent job. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It'ss so sweet of these protesters to help Trump's campaign in this way. They're doing an excellent job. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, true that. Each time they push like this, the more he pulls support and the polls rise even higher. It stupefied the nocons and rinos, and will only do the same to the dems.

This is coming out of the sharp contrasts; this election isn't so watered down with everyone being so similar (e.g. Romneycare vs 0bamacare etc). And each time they kick against it, it only shows that contrast all the more. Ryan is even about to endorse, this is going to get interesting.

But to make it clear about this, I'm not calling out Sanders supporters here, and I don't even think this is coming out of the Sanders camp entirely. I know that there are plenty of Sanders supporters with the same idea that I have: screw the system. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those out there waving foreign flags and throwing stones were planning to vote for Hillary, maybe even paid to do this as is known to happen.

[AenorVZ]

Okay theory questers, let's get real. Firstly, I was press secretary for a former state court judge who ran for governor in a southern state. Secondly, I consulted on two campaigns for an 11-term member of the US Congress. Third, I'm a third generation US Army veteran who self-identifies as an anarcho-syndicalist.

Having worked for two of the most far left political candidates you could imagine, I have a lot of experience with political activism. Having worked for Clear Channel and CBS Radio, been an associate editor of several small newspapers, having written for ESPN.com and been a professional, credentialed NBA reporter, I have a good bit of media experience as well.

In my experience, a lot of the anti-establishment protests we see are driven behind the scenes by American communists. Please see this wiki article so you can know the distinction between a real anarchist like myself and a marxist-lenninist who believes in totalitarian government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

So I believe there are four distinct philosophies of social organization that have been attempted in human history that are relevant to this discussion:

1. Anarchy

Believes in the dissolution of coercive governmental authority and instead wishes to install goverment based on mutual consent. For example, conscription (a military draft) would not be possible in an anarchist society. It would have to be an all-volunteer military since anarchist principals are anathema to the idea of coerced military service.

2. Representative democracy

A fairy tale much like the tooth fairy. Has as much basis in reality.

3. Communism

A totalitarian form of government that represents itself to be a worker's utopia. Anarchists feel that any form of totalitarian government, regardless of what lofty ideals it purports to espouse, will ultimately act to keep itself in power rather than for the benefit of the workers that supposedly control it.

Here's a simple litmus test to find out if anyone you speak with is a communist. Ask them, in reference to the Tiananmen Square incident in China, if they think the heros were the people protesting in favor of free speech or if the heros were the people driving tanks and suppressing free speech. Any real communist will tell you that the heroic tank drivers were saving China from the evil counter-revolutionary protesters.

Since Communism is a totalitarian form of government, if you don't agree that it is acting in your interests, as the state-controlled media will constantly attempt to drill into your head, then you are subject to arrest, torture, execution and slave labor for expressing thoughts that are not compatible with the propaganda message.

4. Fascism

Government via the overt control of monied intererests for their own benefit and perpetuation. This is the current form of government in the United States. You don't believe in the tooth fairy do you? The operating systems for voting machines are proprietary and not subject to external review, making an audit of any election impossible since there is only one set of data, that which is controlled by the proprietary operating system. An audit, by definition, requires two sources of data.

The most obvious example of fascism is Nazi Germany where Fritz Thiessen, a steel monopolist, financed Hitler's rise to power. Once in power, Hitler set about racially cleansing Germany. However, not all Jews, gypsies and other marginalized groups were sent directly to be killed. IBM sold punch card technology to track the occupations of prisoners so that they could be diverted to slave labor camps such as Auschwitz, where steel and coal were processed for the benefit of the war effort, to the enrichment of the monied interests that controlled the government.

Fascism is the most overtly anti-labor, pro-capital form of government. It's no surprise that the US followed Germany into fascism since we absorbed the Nazi SS intelligence apparatus into what became the American CIA (OSS at the time). George H.W. Bush employed a former German Nazi during one of his presidential campaigns. His father, Prescott Bush, was a banker whose bank's assets were seized by the US goverment under the trading with the enemies act for acting in the interests of Nazi Germany during the war. The assets were later unfrozen and no real consequences ever came to Prescott Bush, sometimes referred to as Hitler's personal banker.

In the modern US, you can see the overt nature of fascist control of our systems of government via the two party system. It doesn't matter if a republican or democrat is chosen to the true elites since the same massive trans national corporations make large contributions to both political parties. Thus, only those who serve the interests of banks and trans nationals can be elected president. This is why Hillary changed the subject during the Brooklyn debate after Bernie proposed to remove marijuana from the controlled substance act. Even though Clinton claims to support Obama's presidency, she refused to indicate that she will respect states' rights on this issue if elected. Instead, she kept quiet, since she knows that decriminalization is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry that supports her campaign.

* * *

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.

But then they were waving foreign flags. Specifically the flag of Mexico. I'm sure you are familiar with the Reconquista movement. Additionally Mexico does have an active overt Fascist political party. Just like we have CPUSA.

I agree that there were communists there as well, that's common in these turnouts, many being paid professional activists. Still engaging in fascist tactics though.

I see this as part of the Globalist movement (more the path of our gov than any other path). You just mix all this ideology together and open all the borders (like they are trying to do with religions too), then centralize a world government. You throw them all in there, they will still all bow down to corporatism, to the technocrats, to the central banks. What we have now is just a transitional phase, having been hammered out over decades inch by inch. Good post though.

[maerilith]

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[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay theory questers, let's get real. Firstly, I was press secretary for a former state court judge who ran for governor in a southern state. Secondly, I consulted on two campaigns for an 11-term member of the US Congress. Third, I'm a third generation US Army veteran who self-identifies as an anarcho-syndicalist.

Having worked for two of the most far left political candidates you could imagine, I have a lot of experience with political activism. Having worked for Clear Channel and CBS Radio, been an associate editor of several small newspapers, having written for ESPN.com and been a professional, credentialed NBA reporter, I have a good bit of media experience as well.

In my experience, a lot of the anti-establishment protests we see are driven behind the scenes by American communists. Please see this wiki article so you can know the distinction between a real anarchist like myself and a marxist-lenninist who believes in totalitarian government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

So I believe there are four distinct philosophies of social organization that have been attempted in human history that are relevant to this discussion:

1. Anarchy

Believes in the dissolution of coercive governmental authority and instead wishes to install goverment based on mutual consent. For example, conscription (a military draft) would not be possible in an anarchist society. It would have to be an all-volunteer military since anarchist principals are anathema to the idea of coerced military service.

2. Representative democracy

A fairy tale much like the tooth fairy. Has as much basis in reality.

3. Communism

A totalitarian form of government that represents itself to be a worker's utopia. Anarchists feel that any form of totalitarian government, regardless of what lofty ideals it purports to espouse, will ultimately act to keep itself in power rather than for the benefit of the workers that supposedly control it.

Here's a simple litmus test to find out if anyone you speak with is a communist. Ask them, in reference to the Tiananmen Square incident in China, if they think the heros were the people protesting in favor of free speech or if the heros were the people driving tanks and suppressing free speech. Any real communist will tell you that the heroic tank drivers were saving China from the evil counter-revolutionary protesters.

Since Communism is a totalitarian form of government, if you don't agree that it is acting in your interests, as the state-controlled media will constantly attempt to drill into your head, then you are subject to arrest, torture, execution and slave labor for expressing thoughts that are not compatible with the propaganda message.

4. Fascism

Government via the overt control of monied intererests for their own benefit and perpetuation. This is the current form of government in the United States. You don't believe in the tooth fairy do you? The operating systems for voting machines are proprietary and not subject to external review, making an audit of any election impossible since there is only one set of data, that which is controlled by the proprietary operating system. An audit, by definition, requires two sources of data.

The most obvious example of fascism is Nazi Germany where Fritz Thiessen, a steel monopolist, financed Hitler's rise to power. Once in power, Hitler set about racially cleansing Germany. However, not all Jews, gypsies and other marginalized groups were sent directly to be killed. IBM sold punch card technology to track the occupations of prisoners so that they could be diverted to slave labor camps such as Auschwitz, where steel and coal were processed for the benefit of the war effort, to the enrichment of the monied interests that controlled the government.

Fascism is the most overtly anti-labor, pro-capital form of government. It's no surprise that the US followed Germany into fascism since we absorbed the Nazi SS intelligence apparatus into what became the American CIA (OSS at the time). George H.W. Bush employed a former German Nazi during one of his presidential campaigns. His father, Prescott Bush, was a banker whose bank's assets were seized by the US goverment under the trading with the enemies act for acting in the interests of Nazi Germany during the war. The assets were later unfrozen and no real consequences ever came to Prescott Bush, sometimes referred to as Hitler's personal banker.

In the modern US, you can see the overt nature of fascist control of our systems of government via the two party system. It doesn't matter if a republican or democrat is chosen to the true elites since the same massive trans national corporations make large contributions to both political parties. Thus, only those who serve the interests of banks and trans nationals can be elected president. This is why Hillary changed the subject during the Brooklyn debate after Bernie proposed to remove marijuana from the controlled substance act. Even though Clinton claims to support Obama's presidency, she refused to indicate that she will respect states' rights on this issue if elected. Instead, she kept quiet, since she knows that decriminalization is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry that supports her campaign.

* * *

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.

If you have read any Giovanni Gentile then you would begin to understand that fascism is not an "idea". Fascism is an actualism. It can come in any form. Its a swift and singleminded action for the good of a collective. It rose during the 20s and 30s because the cultures where it was embraced were threatened by international communism(jewry).

Some have called fascism an extreme form of propertarianism. Not sure if I agree with that but I guess its used to distinguish fascism from other forms of "collectivism". I think the difference in the fascist form of collectivism as opposed to the communist variety is that fascism recognizes the role of the individual in the overall health of the society and its institutions where as communism stamps out individuality to erase "class" distinctions. Fascism recognizes class distinctions. Take the role of women for example. USSR women = cogs in a machine/NSDAP women = vital aspect of the culture and recognized for that role.

Your description of Fascism is really just an oligarchy. You also say that fascism is an extreme form of capitalism but if you have ever actually studied the writings of actual fascist then you would see that they hold capitalism in contempt as well. Thats why they feel the need for a strong centralized authority to protect the citizens from capitalism(among other things) while maintaining property rights hence the earlier nod to propertarianism. The Nazis saw how the ((((money interest)))) were overwhelmingly led by one faction of society *cough*47% of the 1% these people comprise*cough* and how that system they controlled and used to enslave other nations. They outlawed usury which is how capitalism is corrupted. It bothers me when people try to say that Fascism is extreme capitalism.

[AzzarTheGod]

Reluctantly started reading AenorVZ's post (nothing personal OT rule). Then found it somewhat insightful.

Did read. [X]