Rule Clarification

[Troxx]

Names have been expunged as my only goal here is to clarify existing rules as the individual I had a disagreement insisted that the rules were different than what I have always understood to be case. Even gender cons (bolded) made gender neutral to keep this non-inflammatory. Following this episode we have a long conversation that ended politely - we are both seeking an answer to this question.

Quick back story: I'm in the Ocean of Tears (salty, salty tears) doing seafuries. Island is crowded, so I'm up top at the 6:36 spawn that doesn't roam and tagging the tree spawn every with each spawn cycle. Top mob spawned and I'm floating just up the hill waiting for the next when someone else wanders up and sits down near that spawn about 45 seconds before this mob spawns. I cast AC buff on pet, then run down to AC buff myself while sitting beside what I had been pulling. I move down to sit closer.

I have fast fingers, first to stand and melee hit, mob attacks me first eating some of my rune. I power through and do get the kill. Stingy bastard drops

[Tue Jun 06 18:36:28 2017] You begin casting Spirit Armor.
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:30 2017] XXXX says, 'excuse me'
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:34 2017] Translucent armor gathers around you.
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:37 2017] XXXX says, ':P'
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:43 2017] You say, 'we can race if you want but i've been pulling this one for an hour'
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:50 2017] XXXX says, 'have you been pulling others?'
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:54 2017] XXXX says, 'if so you gave up this camp'
[Tue Jun 06 18:36:57 2017] XXXX says, 'so says the head gm'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:03 2017] You say, 'there are no camps here, sorry'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:06 2017] XXXX says, 'eys there are'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:06 2017] You say, 'but we can race'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:09 2017] XXXX says, 'look at the forums'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:12 2017] XXXX says, 'i will petition'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:15 2017] You say, 'pleae'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:16 2017] XXXX says, 'wd'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:16 2017] Auto attack is on.
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] You crush a seafury cyclops for 42 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] A seafury cyclops tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] Xonann tells you, 'Attacking a seafury cyclops Master.'
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] A seafury cyclops tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] XXXX pierces a seafury cyclops for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] XXXX pierces a seafury cyclops for 26 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:17 2017] XXXX pierces a seafury cyclops for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 06 18:37:19 2017] XXXX kicks a seafury cyclops for 8 points of damage.

SPAM SPAM SPAM

[Tue Jun 06 18:38:08 2017] You have slain a seafury cyclops!
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:08 2017] You gain experience!!
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:10 2017] Gaber bites Gornit for 43 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:12 2017] XXXX regards you indifferently -- he/she/it appears to be quite formidable.
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:12 2017] You are inspecting XXXX.
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:12 2017] XXXX regards you indifferently -- he/she/it appears to be quite formidable.
[Tue Jun 06 18:38:13 2017] You receive 1 platinum, 14 gold, 11 silver and 15 copper from the corpse.

Regarding this specific circumstance, it's irrelevant as for the last 7-8 cycles I'd been killing both. A claim of 'camping' something I was keeping down was made while I was twiddling my thumbs waiting for the spawn. I'm fine sharing when the island is crowded - this didn't play out well initially though. It's the first dispute I've had here because I understand that it's more or less the wild wild west with few governing rules other than don't kill something that is already engaged.

Last GM response I could find was consistent with my understanding of how this island has worked for years:

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That island is FTE. If you are KSd, petition. Encounter logs are easy to look up. As Loramin said, I've been out there quite a bit the past few weeks. If nobody responds right away, just be patient. Your petition stays in the que until one of us responds and/or clears it.

Citation:

Thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...hlight=seafury

Post on page 1: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...54&postcount=8

Outdoor zones historically are FTE with the exception of static mobs that do not wander. Regarding this area of this zone, it breaks from traditional norms as even the one static and non-wandering mob historically has been FTE.

Is the island strictly FTE? Are certain mobs 'campable'?

I'm looking for clarification.

[indiscriminate_hater]

try red

[Samoht]

XXXX is obviously confused on camp rules, as when you are camping more than one, you do not automatically forfeit them when someone else shows up. You do have to forfeit one, it's just not up to the encroaching party to decide which. In this case, they could have moved to the static spawn and taken that camp since you insisted on grabbing this one.

Otherwise, FTE.

[fadetree]

Right that's if it's not FTE...thats what he is asking, is the whole island FTE or not?

[Troxx]

Yeah I understand that Samoht - that is a well established rule. The clarification I'm looking for is more with regards to this island specifically. Is it all FTE or are single mobs campable?

As I said in post one - the dispute on the player to player level ended amicably. Both parties are just curious so as to avoid breaking rules.

[Pokesan]

you better watch out bud, i got an itchy finger on the petition key

[Uuruk]

I think Agnarr would be a good option for XXXX.

[Maliant]

Seafuries are all FTE.

[Lhancelot]

Going to give you my opinion on this stuff. If you have any thought that the guy will petition, you need to send a petition in.

If you try to handle it yourself, by ignoring him, or perhaps taking mobs which you clearly are camping but he engages first, this will be seen as KSing by some guides and you will get suspended.

It doesn't matter you have the "camp" or spawn spot a mob is spawning at. If the guy engages first, and you KS him and he petitions you, some guides will suspend you with zero investigation or thought on the matter.

Normally I don't like petitionquest, but eating a 7 day suspension because some chump petitioned you first sucks. It also really sucks when you get no opportunity to explain your side of the story, and this is where your petition can help you.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it all FTE or are single mobs campable?

My understanding, based on multiple past GM responses, is that the answer is both. Whenever a zone is "FTE" (as almost all outdoor zones are) it does not mean you can't camp mobs in it: after all, the Ancient Cyclops is right next door to Seafury island, and he's camped 24/7.

In an FTE zone (or anywhere really) each player can camp exactly one spawn point. If no one else is around they can camp more of course, but then the usual "if someone comes along you have to share" rule comes in to effect.

Normally this isn't relevant on Seafury Island because no one is bored enough to camp a single spawn, but technically you could. If you did and someone took your spawn you could legitimately report them ... IF you were there waiting by the spawn point when they took it and you were only camping that one mob.