Game Mechanics: Dual wield is not classic

Graki · #1 05-20-2010, 07:38 AM

2 games mechanics not classic :

-Off hand can double attack before I have 150 in doublle attack skill.

-Weapons delay are independant : In classic EQ, off hand can hit ONLY at main hand delay.

In classic :
With 2 weapons with 22 delay, no problem

Primary 25, secondary 20 : off hand hit at : 0, 25, 50, 75 ect.
Primary 20, secondary 25 : off hand hit at : 0, 40, 80, 120 ect.

So to dps : fast in off hand, to up skill : fast in main hand (I remember that, game may chek if dual wied hit before check delay)

Rogue rangers warriors and monks are overpowered in the server.

I hop that will be corrected soon, I play rogue and I wanna see classic gameplay. (burning rapier power)

Cheech · #2 05-20-2010, 08:18 AM

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PearlJammzz · #3 05-20-2010, 08:28 AM

You trying to state that offhand delay had no effect on the actual delay?

Akame · #4 05-20-2010, 08:41 AM

Got any facts to back up your claim? Old patch notes? Old Steel warrior parses?

Bruman · #5 05-20-2010, 09:07 AM

I don't know if this reliable enough, but for double attack not hitting till 150 for the offhand:

http://www.monkly-business.net/index...geid=abilities

(look at level 29)

dali_lb · #6 05-20-2010, 09:13 AM

He is right about it. I bet if someone digs a bit in old posts from SoE boards you will find something. Not something I am gonna do tho, but off hander was dependent on primary. The best thing was always to have same delay in primary and off hand to get maximum effect from dualwield.

How the actual mechanics and math's was done, I'm not sure off. But it should be possible to find something to back it up

Jace · #7 05-20-2010, 09:21 AM

I remember offhand being dictated by your main hand as well, maybe im just old school and never bothered to research it but I thought it was still like that on live until I read this post lol. Learn something new everyday!

Akame · #8 05-20-2010, 09:33 AM

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I remember offhand being dictated by your main hand as well, maybe I'm just old school and never bothered to research it but I thought it was still like that on live until I read this post lol. Learn something new everyday!

If it ever was on live it hasn't been since at least 2003 or earlier, I've certainly never heard of such a thing and I was playing a warrior by 2003 and all the posts I can find on TSW and Sony's board state that the offhand being dependent on the primary is a myth.

I still can't find anywhere that shows warriors had the same skill check of 150 double attack to double attack with an offhand yet though.

Omnimorph · #9 05-20-2010, 09:47 AM

I remember in classic the primary was always the faster weapon and you could only dual wield when your primary had swung. T'is why wurmslayer, despite being very nice, had a downside (40dly!) i remember having it with a yak, and i would usually swing 4x every round, because the dly of my secondary weapon had been met.

guineapig · #10 05-20-2010, 10:05 AM

This explains why what people were telling me about offhand weapons never sounded right. They keep saying "put the best possible ratio in offhand" which is the same thing any sane person would say to use for the main hand.

I distinctly remember people using the hardest most bad-ass 1-handed weapon they could find into their offhand regardless of the delay but on this server people are doing the opposite.